UK General Election 2017 - 8 June

[randomlegend]

You wonder how we were ever educated with per pupil spending less than half what it is now.

I'm sure it's not as straightforward as that, and I'm sure you know that too. Neither of us know enough about all the factors involved to pretend to be able to properly analyse something as crude as per pupil spending.

What I see is the front line experience of both a new teacher and someone in it for many many years.

One I see working 65+ hour weeks just to feel like they are barely doing a decent job. Her school are REALLY well off compared to most, and they've just had a budget cut for next year and are having to lay off teaching assistants. Schools in poorer situations already are just not going to cope. Schools are having to send home letters asking parents to donate basic supplies like books and stationary; a huge percentage of teachers are having to buy similar stuff out of their own money just to keep their classes afloat.

My auntie I hear saying this is the worst it's ever been in her career by far, that she's considering jacking it in for the first time. My uncle who was a teacher for 35 years also has already left.

You like to make flippant comments and pretend everyone is just whining, but my experience is that that couldn't be further from the truth; these people love teaching and want it to work but it's becoming unsustainable to fill in the gaps with their good will. They just want to be able to do a good job for their kids.

It's the same in the NHS. You talk to consultants in their 50s and 60s and they unanimously say the service is in the worst place it's ever been; they are ashamed of what we are able to provide our patients compared to the past. The acute departments at the hospital I work at are hanging by a thread.

It's just sad.

[Lewis]

It will all be borrowed. Sorry, invested. At least until all the investments fall to pieces like they did last time.

[Kikó]

Labour could start using the magic money tree like the Tory government does.

[Kikó]

Sorry it's laughable to question Labour's ability to manage the economy when you've got the shitshow that the tories have been for the past 9 years.

[Lewis]

That's a bit like shooting yourself to cure dandruff.

[randomlegend]

It's not all about MORE MONEY. So much of what goes on is just insanely wasteful.

There are so many patients you see who just need a little bit of social support to prevent HUGE amounts of NHS money being spent caring for them.

Overall you could spend so much less on these people. But the social care budget doesn't have the money so they don't get looked after and then they come to hospital and then the NHS have no choice but to look after them and then that's the NHS budget instead so it's all good. It's insane.

We had a patient in ITU for like a month recently who never would've ended up there if they had a safe place to live. You could probably house them for their entire life for the cost of that ITU stay.

[Kikó]

That's a bit like shooting yourself to cure dandruff.

So there is some belief that the Tories are economically competent? That is absolutely laughable.

[Lewis]

Not really, but I'll pick insipid declinism over literal retardation ten times out of ten.

[Lewis]

It's not all about MORE MONEY. So much of what goes on is just insanely wasteful.

There are so many patients you see who just need a little bit of social support to prevent HUGE amounts of NHS money being spent caring for them.

Overall you could spend so much less on these people. But the social care budget doesn't have the money so they don't get looked after and then they come to hospital and then the NHS have no choice but to look after them and then that's the NHS budget instead so it's all good. It's insane.

We had a patient in ITU for like a month recently who never would've ended up there if they had a safe place to live. You could probably house them for their entire life for the cost of that ITU stay.

See also: British Leyland; National Coal Board; British Rail...

[Pepe]

You wonder how we were ever educated with per pupil spending less than half what it is now.

Cost disease is a bitch, isn't it?

[Lewis]

I don't know what that is because my school couldn't afford walls.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Sorry it's laughable to question Labour's ability to manage the economy when you've got the shitshow that the tories have been for the past 9 years.

You can (and probably should) argue that they've managed public services poorly, but 'the economy' is doing just fine compared to any comparable European state.

[Magic]

See also: British Leyland; National Coal Board; British Rail...

Different now given we're a global society.

[Magic]

You can (and probably should) argue that they've managed public services poorly, but 'the economy' is doing just fine compared to any comparable European state.

Correct, and our institutions and communities are massively suffering as a result. Go and ask 99% of the country if their finances reflect the 5th biggest economy in the world.

[Shindig]

You could ask 99% of Americans a similar question and get a similar set of answers.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Or anyone in any developed country.

[Spikey M]

As if Dan from Scunthorpe has any idea about the financial situation of people in G8 countries anyway.

[Lewis]

We're the twenty-somethingth in the measure what counts in this sense, which I imagine feels about right. That 'fifth richest economy' meme probably gives some insight into how those idiots would manage things.

[Pepe]

I don't know what that is because my school couldn't afford walls.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/0...-cost-disease/

TL;DR: Everything is fucked.

[Lewis]

And I can't read because it never had a floor.

[Pepe]

At least there was an outdoors club.

[Lewis]

The outdoors had been run down for privatisation.

[Magic]

You could ask 99% of Americans a similar question and get a similar set of answers.

Correct, now do you see the problem of the world being run by elites for elites? Time for a revolution.

[Shindig]

Nah, we just need to get better at holding what we've got.

[Boydy]

Nah, we just need to get better at holding what we've got.

What does this even mean?

[Kikó]

Shindig offers complete bollocks often on these matters.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Revolution just changes who the elites are, it doesn't change the facts of life.

[Magic]

Shindig offers complete bollocks often on these matters.

He's a perfect painting of a subservient.

[Shindig]

What does this even mean?

Learn to fucking save. Most people are model consumers but shit savers.

[phonics]

The problem with the current system is that it’s inhabited with the idiot children of the people who created it so you have stuff like a CEO Rich guy running for President saying ‘The majority of Americans aren’t Democrats. The majority of Americans aren’t Republicans. The majority of Americans are Americans’ (direct quote) and “Socialism inevitably produces stagnation, corruption and often worse.” (Different CEO) Without a hint of irony.

It’s a bit like that head of the PFA, Graham Taylor claiming his 2 million a year salary is a fair reflection in the increase in player salaries under his tenure as if he had anything to do with it. Most heads of anything are complete frauds.

[phonics]

Learn to fucking save. Most people are model consumers but shit savers.

That you think anything about the current system globally has anything to do with individual savings accounts shows you should probably keep quiet.

[Magic]

That you think anything about the current system globally has anything to do with individual savings accounts shows you should probably keep quiet.

He probably thinks investing in energy saving lightbulbs saves the planet too despite like 99.9% of emissions being generated by about 100 corps.

[phonics]

That stat about China using more concrete in 3 years than the US did in the last century is always the one that gets me. Shindig could have not spent a single penny on rent/food/living and his total earnings wouldn't get him a meeting with 99.9% of the people who matter.

Wages haven't gone up since the 70s but production/efficiency and GDP have nearly tripled and because he only interacts with others on his level, assumes they must be the problem.

It's an easy mistake to make, (look at all the people blaming all their woes on Poles and Muslims) but it's still a mistake.

[Lewis]

The field of retards the opposition has assembled to potentially challenge President Donald J. Trump is really impressive. Everyone appears to know it as well, since coffin-dodging white men 'Sleepy Joe' and 'Crazy Bernie' seem to be the only credible ones. Hasn't anyone ever sat 'Beto' down and told him what an absolute whopper he is?

[phonics]

The field of retards the opposition has assembled to potentially challenge President Donald J. Trump is really impressive. Everyone appears to know it as well, since coffin-dodging white men 'Sleepy Joe' and 'Crazy Bernie' seem to be the only credible ones. Hasn't anyone ever sat 'Beto' down and told him what an absolute whopper he is?

Warren till I die and she's going to get 4% of the vote in New Hampshire and bow out because she pussied out of challenging Clinton in the first place so Bernie gets all the name recognition.

[Lewis]

I liked her idea of using a wealth tax to subsidise comparatively wealthy college graduates.

[phonics]

Yeah, it's called supporting an increasingly burdened by debt middle class, I thought you were a Conservative?

You can't point to the stock-market doing well as the middle class doing well anymore when 50% of the country doesn't have a single asset in it.

[Lewis]

It does nothing about the actual problem of pointlessly expensive (unnecessary) education, presumably because that particular racket is the most vested of vested interests, and why do anything about that when you can just shuffle money about between groups still doing better than average and look like you are? It's like 'Help to Buy' for degrees.

[mugbull]

A wealth tax would be the greatest single policy proposal in decades if only they could find a way for everyone to stop stashing their shit in Bermuda and Monte Carlo

[Boydy]

What changes would you like to see being made by (any) government, Lewis? You always seem to be defending the status quo.

[phonics]

A wealth tax would be the greatest single policy proposal in decades if only they could find a way for everyone to stop stashing their shit in Bermuda and Monte Carlo

The same way they stopped it US citizens doing it in Switzerland. They don't do it because they don't want to because they're using them.

[Spikey M]

What changes would you like to see being made by (any) government, Lewis? You always seem to be defending the status quo.

Forcing walls and floors on his old School.

[mugbull]

The same way they stopped it US citizens doing it in Switzerland. They don't do it because they don't want to because they're using them.

What happened there?

[Lewis]

What changes would you like to see being made by (any) government, Lewis? You always seem to be defending the status quo.

It probably appears that way because I work on the assumption that they can only make things worse.

[Giggles]

It probably appears that way because I work on the assumption that they can only make things worse.

That's one of the main reasons I give when people get up in arms that I'm not on the voting register.

[mikem]

What happened there?

Delaware?

[phonics]

What happened there?

UBS was going over to Americans telling them to hide their money in Switzerland. The thing that specifically annoyed them was that the US is the only country on the planet that demands income tax on money earned by US citizens overseas and UBS was helping them hide it.

They made Switzerland sign a 'trade agreement' that is literally just 'If we find an American hiding money and you haven't previously informed you about it, there'll be trouble' https://www.bj.admin.ch/dam/data/bj/...abkommen-e.pdf

This was the same administration that said it couldn't charge anyone in HSBC America with a crime for laundering Mexican Drug Cartel money despite it having all the evidence because it would 'have affected the economic recovery'.

It's all fraud based on whos money is where at any one point.

[mugbull]

Didn’t know about that. Thanks

[phonics]

Didn’t know about that. Thanks

It was big news here, they said it would be the end of private banking as they knew it but forgot that the US, much like any Mafia, was pissed about not getting it's vig rather than any moral issue.

My friends get around it by sending $9,999 at a time as anything below 10,000 doesn't get flagged.

[mugbull]

It was big news here, they said it would be the end of private banking as they knew it but forgot that the US, much like any Mafia, was pissed about not getting it's vig rather than any moral issue.

I mean, that's one and the same. It's a moral issue because the state isn't getting the tax revenues