A lot of that will be down to younger people being more tech savvy and able to get news from outside Russia, won't it?Originally Posted by Lewis
A lot of that will be down to younger people being more tech savvy and able to get news from outside Russia, won't it?
Especially when you need a VPN to do so now.
Each one worth a thousand muzzers tbf.
Nationality makes no difference, all old people are idiots.
If NATO decided to enter the war (let's say by securing the air over evacuation routes), what would Putin do in response? Nuke Warsaw?
"That's a nice convoy you have, Vlad. Would be a shame if something was to happen to it."
Poland are first up 100%.
My other thought is that no fly zones make fuck all difference to artillery bombardment (which is what's causing most of the pain), so to do anything about that they'd have to actually bomb the Russian positions, which could only be described as a significant escalation.
Ukrainians clearly see it as the west 'leaving them to die', but it's really just a sensible refusal to make a war far bigger.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60684749
A small number of British soldiers have disobeyed orders and may have travelled to Ukraine to fight, the British Army has confirmed.
The soldiers were absent without leave and may have gone to Ukraine "in a personal capacity", the Army said.
"We are actively and strongly encouraging them to return to the UK," a spokesperson added.
It's on.
Liz Truss now being like "No, I didn't say they could do that" when she clearly did. Idiot.
I don't understand how Liz Truss and Priti Patel haven't both been sacked. The latter in particular should be instant termination. What are they offering?
Dirt on Boris. Why else would fucking "Gav" Williamson be getting a knighthood? All he's done of note in his entire life is be sacked, twice, for treachery and incompetence.
A genuine no fly zone would benefit the Russians, but Ukraine (and idiots) seem to think that it means lending them our air forces like we did with the Libyan no fly zone-cum-massive mission creep exercise, in which case it would more than likely be something of ours getting shot down first.
For all his other achievements, Gavin Williamson leaking that Huawei stuff makes him the most effective Minister of Defence in about fifty years.
I'm cheering David Lammy on Question Time as he shuts down the hysterical, war-thirsty audience members. This is how bad it's got.
If they want it so bad, they can fucking fight it.
Hang on, let me fix that.
In the event of a war, what are Russia's non-nuclear options? Can they pretty much strike anywhere in the UK or just shell coastal cities?
You have to be pretty close to shell, mate.
You'd imagine Preston will be at the top of Vlad's agenda. Get your bags packed.
Not a lot unless they take out our submarines (possible with numbers) and get their creaking bombers through (unlikely). They're generally set up for dealing with their neighbours.
"Comrade, Tomorrow we take Whitley Bay."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...emical-weapons
I wonder if that'll cross a line where NATO feel they have to do something?
There shouldn't be a line. The only thing worse than a war is a bigger war.
I agree but I don't think that's how public opinion is going to work.
Stephen Nolan's BBC1 NI show had another ex-military guy (Colonel Richard Kemp) on tonight who was horny for war as well as last week's General. I hope there are cooler heads in the current military leadership but I wouldn't bet on it.
Russia officially doesn't have any chemical weapons. That is why they novichok people, because you can (or could) make it out of stuff that fell through the cracks of all the conventions. As for biological weapons, they have always been a lot shiftier about those, but Jesus nobody is mental enough to use them in an actual warzone.
Were they not supplying the Syrians with them?
Syria had loads of their own, which the Soviet Union helped them make (and fit in Soviet delivery systems), as their last ditch anti-Israel ploy.
This is all a bit of a strange thing to be talking about all of a sudden. There are biological research facilities out there, which the Russians have made some wacky stuff up about, but at the same time the Americans seem to be overly touchy about them despite it all being above board and benign (which means Russia will know it all anyway, so you're not losing anything valuable). Who knows.
If they annex South Shields I wouldn't be sad.
Putingrad.
UK waters extend 12 nautical miles and maximum naval artillery range is 20 milesYou have to be pretty close to shell, mate.
We have a navy, you know...UK waters extend 12 nautical miles and maximum naval artillery range is 20 miles
Yeah they never leave Russia to be fair: https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-an...ian-monitoring
Edit: did you stealth edit that because you had a brief, lucid thought?Not sure if you've heard about the Royal Navy mate, have a chat with some current/recently serving personnel and see how ready they are.
Yes.
You big lanky cunt.
We are so bad.
I will never be able to get my head around this stuff. My only logical thought is they don't want to set a precedent and have to take in a million brown refugees in a future war, but even that's nonsense really.
I think the only good bit of news that has come out of this whole debacle is that Truss and Patel have both been shown up to be the incompetents that anyone with half a brain knew they were. Which should hopefully do for them ever having any chance of running for the leadership.
Truss especially was positioning herself as some kind of Thatcher type and has come out of this looking like a complete fucking helmet.
Some fantastic tactics here from the Russians. 20 armored vehicles bundled up on a road, with no infantry support.
All part of the plan my boy.
This narrative is annoying. There's a difference between planning for something to happen and not caring/being deterred if it does. Quite obviously Putin wouldn't have planned to lose troops, but does he care if he has when he has millions more? I very much doubt it and manifestly not enough to stop what he's doing.
Not sure why people struggle with this so much.
He doesn't have millions more. It's not 1943.
It's just a hard counter to the contrariness that meets any comment to the effect that maybe things aren't really going to plan for Vlad and co.
Maybe there's nothing that will deter him from his course, but that doesn't mean everything is going JUST AS PLANNED and/or isn't an absolute disaster.
Internet tells me 900k active and another two million in reserve. You can absorb a hell of a lot of fuck ups with those numbers.
That said, I’m growing increasingly heartened by the World’s response to this. Humans might actually be doing the right thing for once.
Some government thick here was on about requesting people to take in refugees here if they don’t get enough volunteers
https://twitter.com/SputnikATO/statu...02777518419974
I know you can over-analyse these things, but the guy looks like a wreck.
His own lot will do him in soon if that's true.
You'd think after 20 odd years in the secret service he wouldn't be stupid enough to start imprisoning the secret service, but life is full of surprises. They probably/definitely know far more than he does about the facts of life so I guess tension inevitable.
I don’t understand the moves being made against Chelsea. It’s not like Abramovich’s ties to the Kremlin is new information. It’s been well-known ever since he bought the club. So why now, after this long, are we suddenly taking credit cards away and not allowing them to take gate receipts / sell merch?
If he is dirty money then why was he allowed to a) buy the club in the first place, and b) stay in charge for so long?
It struck me today that the Banter Era could be well and truly crowned by Erdogan winning the Nobel Peace Prize for brokering the solution to this.
Well I think he's out of the running for the economics prize.
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