If it is actually worth reading anything into her tragic witterings today (citing getting them down from a hundred billion to thirty-nine as an achievement cheers love), a remain vs not leaving referendum sounds like the end of it.
Theresa May's Conservatives
Jeremy Corbyn's Labour
Tim Farron's Liberal Democrats
Paul Nuttall's UKIP
2 people's Greens
Nicholas Durgeon's Scottish Nationalists
Satan's Sinn Fein
Dr Ian Paisley's DUP
Some other bunch of nonces
I'm foreign, but I wish I were an Englishman
If it is actually worth reading anything into her tragic witterings today (citing getting them down from a hundred billion to thirty-nine as an achievement cheers love), a remain vs not leaving referendum sounds like the end of it.
It’s not her fault. The only way to leave the EU is to leave without a deal and MP’s don’t even want to leave, let alone do that.
I just got this from Revolut. Christ.
You're probably Reesly sick of hearing about Brexit by now. We understand. It's all very Merkely and confusing.
We're sorry to Boris you with more Brexit stuff, but please don't send this email to your Juncker folder. We have an important message you May want to hear.
For now, all our politicians have stopped having a Barnier about what deal to sign. This is good news. It means that you'll stay as part of our UK entity for the foreseeable future, and that you don’t need to do anything on your side for now. There's a Chancellor this will change in the future, but we will keep you up to date as developments continue.
We suggest that you celebrate by using your Revolut card to go out and buy a sweet treat. Maybe a strawberry Macron.
I’ve never heard of them or know what they do/sell but if I ever do have the bad fortune to encounter whatever they are. I will boycott it/throw a brick through their window.
The entire process will struggle to produce anything more hateful than that paragraph.
lol
I'd got bored of all this and stopped following but knew it's been delayed again. Is it June or Halloween? I thought the former but the Mrs reckons October.
October, but May is hoping to get it sorted sooner.
It won't be. We're not leaving.
It'll be all over by Christmas.
I reckon end of August/start of September we'll have another referendum.
I don't need to chase up on the green card at this stage at least.
Everyone accusing Nigel Farage of incitement to murder suggests that lessons have been learned, and I look forward to voting for his tinpot publicity vehicle.
Looks like the bastard offspring of John Lydon and a bailiff wants my vote. Why not?
So I've only been glancing at this thread since it all started happening, because the story is just dragging too much now. Do you all basically feel how you did at the brexit election? Or has the debacle caused anyone here to change their mind?
The mentality of a person who voted for this in the first place would never be swayed by anything.
If we repeated it I think leave would win by a bigger margin, purely as a middle finger to Parliament.
Personally, I'd still vote remain, but to be honest I'll take No Deal Brexit if it makes this shit fuck off pronto.
Everything that has happened since the vote proves why it was the correct decision.
I think the result would go the other way if they ran it again, bur for various reasons they won't so it's hard to tell. I don't think it would be a massive swing, maybe the reverse or a bit more for remain but you'd still get around 45% for leave I reckon.
It's definitely more than a little odd that the membership of a supranational trading bloc has proven to be such a divisive and emotive issue.
I don't think opinion has changed greatly, the swing would be from people realising the sheer incompetence of our MP's and their inability to do anything vaguely complicated. That should have been the primary position taken by the Remain campaign, they'd have won a landslide.
Yep. Instead they campaigned on 'Stronger together'. People can't latch on to that.
If we'd win the independence referendum BREXIT would have never even materialised.
We'd have been too busy lolling at your economy and offering Alec Salmond asylum.
It's revealed the true nature of both the European Union and the wankers who run the country. For decades, effectively from Day One, Eurosceptics (which until recently didn't necessarily mean leaving) have for the most part been painted as cranks obsessed with a non-existent threat to our sovereignty and institutions. The line was that the European Union barely had any influence over the country, and that it was basically just going along with a couple of laws to facilitate trade. And how could anyone really oppose that? I wouldn't, insofar as you expect some degree of harmonisation and/or standard recognition in any free trade arrangement (you then get the implicit notion that any opposition must actually be about something else, but whatever).
The minute we vote to leave it turns out that it is a bit more complicated than that, because politicians have nodded through forty years worth of integrationist legislation without bothering to a) think about it; and b) explain it honestly or properly. The Eurosceptics - simply as a matter of fact, regardless of whether you are for or against it - were right all along. And now these same dickheads have the balls to say that leave campaigners never set out the difficulties of leaving. Which they didn't, to be fair, because why would you; but really lads (see also: 'Remain and Reform').
This needs to happen. The fact the state has fucked it up is irrelevant. The British government fucks everything up. You price that in. Especially when you're dealing with a bunch of intransigent tossers on the other side treating it all (not unfairly) as an existential threat to the 'Project'. It's what it's done below that. Everything the political class thought they knew about their profession has been blown up, and what little reputation any of them had for competence has gone with it. It's why they're going to the lengths they're going to to avoid implementing the result. It's like the Suez Crisis. There's no going back. Even if, as then, we bumble along for another decade acting like it never happened, at some point it will hit them.
I hope she gets fined or whatever the sanction is.
Yaaaaasssss kween, the American gets it
Who is this Julia Hartley bitch or whatever the fuck her name is. What a self important, odious cunt she is.
The people 'feeling European' stuff didn't come out until after they lost, before that it was all about economics and fingers-in-ears complacency.
This was the best analysis of it.
Man is capitalised like it's an insult.
The European elections are looking fun. I'm thinking of voting for Change UK, just so I know how it feels to be the most vapid piece of shit in the world.
Wow, Corbyn's response to the Ilkley Moor fire has been excellent.
24 hours later, the police make some arson arrests.Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn tweeted that the "awful scenes" on the moor were a reminder "of why we urgently need to tackle climate change".
Ok but that's because the grass is extremely dry and thus very vulnerable to fire, regardless of cause.
They were turned to arson due to the unseasonably mild temperatures last winter.
Or because of a toxic Tory policy of needles austerity destroying communities.
Comrade Magic.
Everyone within five miles of that fire is minted and/or ninety.
Based on what I see through the fiance, the education system in this country is even more fucked than the NHS. The sheer volume of work they have to contend with due to all the bureaucratic bullshit is insane. She's now special educational needs co-ordinator as an additional role and the paperwork just to get these kids the funding they need is bonkers. There are forms shell have to do for one individual kid that are 100+ pages long. I bet half the kids who need stuff don't get it just because nobody has time to fill the forms in.
Budgets are being cut left right and centre. Teachers dropping out like flies. My auntie (who is a legend) has been teaching for like 35+ years and last time I saw her just said she feels that for the first time ever she's defeated by it all.
I honestly think it's going to fall apart. It's completely unsustainable. I don't think people realise how bad it's got.
Edit: idk if secondary is as bad, this is all primary.
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You wonder how we were ever educated with per pupil spending less than half what it is now.
I'd be interested to see a Corbyn government purely to see where they would find all this money to make up these funding shortfalls. They would have to borrow every penny of it, I would guess (as all the 'tax the rich' stuff people would go on about would raise about 10p), and then the results would inevitably be patchy at best, because people are bad at running things.
The only long term solutions are either selling it all off into some kind of Toby Young dystopia, or engineering a society where everyone (lower and middle incomes included) accepts that punitively high taxation is worth it and that their personal disposable income - ability to buy flashy consumer goods, go on holiday etc - has to take the hit. That latter option is a long, long, long way away at the moment.