39 Dead in a Lorry

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50150070

The bodies of 39 people have been found in a lorry container in Essex.

Police were called by the ambulance service shortly before 01:40 BST after the discovery at Waterglade Industrial Park in Eastern Avenue, Grays.

The lorry driver, a 25-year-old man from Northern Ireland, has been arrested on suspicion of murder.

Essex Police said the vehicle travelled from Bulgaria and entered the UK via Holyhead, Anglesey, on Saturday.

Early indications are that 38 adults and one teenager have died, the force said. There were no survivors.

Fucking hell. Clearly some trafficking gone wrong.

[Queenslander]

Fuck me that is dark.

[thommo]

Fucking hell. Imagine being the officer opening up those doors.

[Giggles]

If the charge is murder then there would have to be more to it than trafficking gone wrong wouldn't there? Would it not be manslaughter?

[Jimmy Floyd]

If he knew they were in there and locked them in without air or whatever then you could probably argue murder.

[Byron]

Apparently a truck from Bulgaria that came in via Ireland and Holyhead to avoid the usual checks at Calais.

[Lewis]

Why do people do this sort of thing? If you're intending to stay illegally couldn't you just come in as tourists and vanish?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Why do people do this sort of thing? If you're intending to stay illegally couldn't you just come in as tourists and vanish?

Could be sex traffickers and the people aren't there by choice.

[Lewis]

I'll defer to you on that one.

[Disco]

Send for McNulty.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Coming in as tourists costs money.

[igor_balis]

[Yevrah]

Coming in as tourists costs money.

When there are 39 of you so does getting a lift in the back of a lorry.

[Shindig]

I mean, they come here illegally because there's usually the faint promise of work at the end of it.

[Bam]

Pikeys and there slave trafficking. This will end up getting overlooked though.

[Giggles]

Pikeys and there slave trafficking. This will end up getting overlooked though.

The man driving the lorry was running them for one of your armies.

[Bam]

The man driving the lorry was running them for one of your armies.

Im talking about travellers. Not that Ireland would have a problem with them, they're all here.

[SincereTheRebel]

Bam and Giggles is top vs bottom ireland fuckris?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

All Chinese with 31 of them being men.

[Queenslander]

All Chinese with 31 of them being men.

I confindently told all the women at work today that they were sex traffic women.

[Lewis]

Identifying them is going to be some job.

[Lewis]

And no that isn't one of their names. Racists.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I confindently told all the women at work today that they were sex traffic women.

I was sure that they were too.

[Queenslander]

I feel like I have been outed as pervert now.

[Lewis]

It was put to me at work that the reason Africans and that have to sneak in is because we don't hand out tourist permits willy-nilly in those countries; but surely the Chinese can get here easily enough compared to whatever costly overland route they took to end up like that?

[phonics]

Dissidents maybe?

[Lewis]

Then why make the last part of the journey?

[phonics]

Who'd want to live in Bulgaria? or worse, Northern Ireland?

[Yevrah]

It was put to me at work that the reason Africans and that have to sneak in is because we don't hand out tourist permits willy-nilly in those countries; but surely the Chinese can get here easily enough compared to whatever costly overland route they took to end up like that?

If you’re poor and from a non eu country/not from a first world one you have absolutely no chance of coming here on a tourist visa as the assumption is that you just won’t go home again.

[phonics]

Not true whatsoever.

[Yevrah]

Great.

[phonics]

Great.

We organize conferences around the world with a part of the demographic being people who inject drugs, sex workers, poor and trans people. They get in on tourist visas in the non-backwards countries. For the likes of South America/Asia/USA we have to provide letters of invitation.

edit: (Many get turned away but 99.9% of the time when we look into it, they filled out the form incorrectly or waited till the day before their flight to try get one)

[Yevrah]

That doesn't sound the same as Mr Joe Bloggs from a third world country applying for a tourist visa so he can have a mooch around London for a couple of weeks.

[phonics]

Its literally the same. I just said that we have to provide 'Letters of Invitation' to non-UK/non-EU nations.

The only sticking points are violent/drug convictions that are ongoing.

[Yevrah]

I'm not sure stats are available on the ratio of poor people granted tourist visas to come to the UK vs. poor people refused, but it definitely happens and happens a lot.

This is a bit David Cameron "I spoke to a black man the other day", but I have a Kenyan mate (British national now) who couldn't get his ex-fiancee into the country on a tourist visa and used to manage a guy from Pakistan who had to appeal several times to get his bloody wife in.

One article from a quick google though:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...erlying-racism

“the underlying view by the decision-makers are: ‘you are poor, you don’t earn much compared to us, so all you would want to do is get into the UK illegally’.

[phonics]

'People can't get in for 2 weeks'

'My mate can't get my person with a paper trail that seems like she'd choose to stay forever into the country'

See the issue?

[Giggles]

God you're a condescending twat phonics.

[phonics]

It's 4am give me a break.

[Yevrah]

Its literally the same. I just said that we have to provide 'Letters of Invitation' to non-UK/non-EU nations.

Why do you need to provide letters of invitation if it's "simply not true that you've no chance of getting into the uk on a tourist visa if you're poor and from a poor country"?

How were the Chinese people in the back of that truck meant to get their letter of invitation?

[Yevrah]

'People can't get in for 2 weeks'

'My mate can't get my person with a paper trail that seems like she'd choose to stay forever into the country'

See the issue?

The paper trail begins and ends with them being poor and the assumption on the back of that is that they won't go home.

The article I've linked to had another link to the home office website that from their own numbers shows they refused 400,000 visa applications between April 2016 and March 2017 and refused 28% of all visitor visa applications from North Africa.

[Shindig]

Yevrage vs Jaspergers. Let's fucking have it.

[Spikey M]

God you're a condescending twat phonics.

He's right though.

Why do you need to provide letters of invitation if it's "simply not true that you've no chance of getting into the uk on a tourist visa if you're poor and from a poor country"?

How were the Chinese people in the back of that truck meant to get their letter of invitation?

I just said that we have to provide 'Letters of Invitation' to non-UK/non-EU nations.

[Spikey M]

The paper trail begins and ends with them being poor and the assumption on the back of that is that they won't go home.

The article I've linked to had another link to the home office website that from their own numbers shows they refused 400,000 visa applications between April 2016 and March 2017 and refused 28% of all visitor visa applications from North Africa.

The assumption is 'Your husband lives here and you're coming for a flying visit? Alrite m8.'

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've tried to get cricketers in from various countries on tourist visas over the years.

Aus/NZ: come on in, there's even a special visa to help give you a five year stay
South Africa: they use the Dulux colour chart, anything darker than Evening Barley and it becomes 100x more difficult
India: Do you have a corrupt uncle? If not, good luck.
Sri Lanka: lol no chance

[Yevrah]

The assumption is 'Your husband lives here and you're coming for a flying visit? Alrite m8.'

I know you twonk. I'm the one saying it's difficult to get in.

[Yevrah]

He's right though.

Yes and the letters he's providing, proving they're going to a conference are obviously helping their visa applications. If it wasn't, why would his company be doing it?

The point I'm making is that this isn't comparable to the average poor person from a third/second world country trying to get in, because they haven't got a legitimate business supporting their application, which is why they have to resort to running the risk of freezing in the back of cargo truck. Which is the point someone in Lewis' office made, and they're right. If it wasn't virtually impossible to get in if you're poor and from a developing nation, why would they risk that shit?

How is this difficult?

[Shindig]

The Heathrow stowaways are my favourite. Hiding in the landing gear trying to avoid freezing, being crushed or dropped over a long-haul flight. If any survive, they should get land and a spot in the House of Lords. And Davina McCall gets to interview them when they land.

[Lewis]

How is it this Vietnamese woman they appear to have identified could fly to France and be smuggled from there (and why not just stay in France)?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Would you stay in France?

[Lewis]

Probably over paying thirty grand(!) to suffocate in a lorry.