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  • Theresa May's Conservatives

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  • Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

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  • Tim Farron's Liberal Democrats

    3 6.82%
  • Paul Nuttall's UKIP

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  • 2 people's Greens

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  • Nicholas Durgeon's Scottish Nationalists

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Thread: UK General Election 2017 - 8 June

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    So is it "capitalism's" fault or "the dole's" fault?
    Politicians fault. For allowing welfare and entry level work to become equivalent. Obviously it's fixable in 2 ways:

    1) reduce benefits.
    2) increase wages.

    I would imagine no. 2 is the fairest option, but no.1 is almost certainly the wall we will piss up at some point.

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    If we do have all these available workers who are understandably choosing to take UC ahead of working, yet employers are still desperate for staff, how is unemployment at its lowest level since the 70s?

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentand...ebruary%201974.

    Something doesn't add up there.

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    If hiring someone at a higher wage was better for a company than not hiring someone at all, then they would just do that, wouldn't they? If roles are unfilled right now, raising the minimum wage will just make companies not bother.

    I just don't think government can be very effective at increasing wages. Maybe the kicking the foreigners out would work, who the fuck knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    If we do have all these available workers who are understandably choosing to take UC ahead of working, yet employers are still desperate for staff, how is unemployment at its lowest level since the 70s?

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentand...ebruary%201974.

    Something doesn't add up there.
    Your population becoming too old?

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    Unemployment is at its lowest in god knows how long and no one can pay their bills but the dole is the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    If we do have all these available workers who are understandably choosing to take UC ahead of working, yet employers are still desperate for staff, how is unemployment at its lowest level since the 70s?

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentand...ebruary%201974.

    Something doesn't add up there.
    Because "employment" is misleading. We didn't have zero hour contracts in the 70's. There are a fuck tonne of people "working" that have no work. There are also a fuck tonne of people working for 3 or 4 different employers to make up full time hours. I'm not sure how that is reflected in the figures, but I imagine it's taken advantage of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    Unemployment is at its lowest in god knows how long and no one can pay their bills but the dole is the problem.
    If you took that from what I'm saying then I don't know how to help you, because it is quite plainly not what I am saying. It's the opposite of what I'm saying, in fact. Wages are the problem.

    Unless you weren't talking to me, of course.

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    I didn't say that the dole is the problem either, but phonics gonna phonics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    If hiring someone at a higher wage was better for a company than not hiring someone at all, then they would just do that, wouldn't they? If roles are unfilled right now, raising the minimum wage will just make companies not bother.

    I just don't think government can be very effective at increasing wages. Maybe the kicking the foreigners out would work, who the fuck knows.
    They would, in normal times, I imagine. But businesses are facing the same COST OF LIVING CRISIS as the rest of us, so they can't afford to at the moment.

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    No one has, his ability to read things that aren't there is outstanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    They would, in normal times, I imagine. But businesses are facing the same COST OF LIVING CRISIS as the rest of us, so they can't afford to at the moment.
    I'll blame shit energy policy from pretty much everyone in the last few decades.

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    A lot of people working for the likes of Uber/Deliveroo and so on will be working as self-employed, too. That's before you even get to the Youtube/Instagram/Twitch/OnlyFans/TikTok personalities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    I'll blame shit energy policy from pretty much everyone in the last few decades.
    Not to mention various national banks just casually leaving interest rates at 0.0000001% for a decade for no reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shindig View Post
    A lot of people working for the likes of Uber/Deliveroo and so on will be working as self-employed, too. That's before you even get to the Youtube/Instagram/Twitch/OnlyFans/TikTok personalities.
    Between the "gig economy" and the breaking down of full time jobs into 2 or 3 part time jobs for tax cuts, employment figures are completely irrelevant to those of the 70's, where one bloke with a paper round could support a family of 9. And buy 3 houses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Hope you aren't paying to read his blog.

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    Lol no.

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    The only thing I pay for on the interwebs is Gamepass and I should probably cancel it since I never use it.

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    I would pay for this place.

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    He didn't answer his own question about the language, which is very important. We were invaded so many times way back when that our language takes all the best concepts from Latin, Germanic, Scandinavian, Celtic etc in a survival of the fittest scenario. The result is that English is far more efficient than other languages as well as being easier to say in the mouth.

    In an English cafe the waiter says 'Inside or outside?' while in France one is asked 'Would you like to install yourself at the interior or the exterior?' Add that up for every single interaction in a human life and it becomes much easier speaking English.

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    Surely a language that takes the best concepts from other languages would pronounce things exactly as they are spelled like Spanish and Italian do.

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    Nobody should strive to sound like the Italians.

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    Italian.

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    Spelling only comes in much later, which is why the 200 year old Americans (wrongly) think that matching the two has any kind of relevance.

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    The Liz Truss phone hacking stuff is too far fetched for The Thick of It.

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    Have they really banked this to save Stella?

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    Matt Hancock suspended as Tory MP for joining Im a Celeb

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    Would this trigger a by-election? I can’t imagine the constituency is too thrilled about having no MP for a while.

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    They have an MP, he just isn't a Tory. Joins the Indepedent naughty list (quite an entertaining cast of characters)

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    I haven't seen Mick Lynch on any news programmes for quite a while now. Did they just stop getting him on because they got fed up with being made to look like fools?

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    Surely he's been cancelled or milkshake ducked by now? Support for Russia or historical anti-semitism the lowest hanging fruit normally.

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    He hasn't. I think there was an attempted cancelling of Eddie Dempsey but it didn't really seem to take off.

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    He obliterated some MPs at a select committee hearing a few weeks ago but I think the media are dodging him for the reasons you stated.

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    Indeed. He is a quite excellent public speaker and interviewee and neither the media nor his opponents had any clue how to deal with that.

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    He has the mildly introverted, zero bullshit approach which is the antithesis of everything that anyone in mainstream politics or the media understands about communication. They only know pre-prepared soundbites, thrusting egotism, and doublespeak. The media training industry must have shat itself during some of his interviews.

    His approach was much more common in the 70s and earlier, hopefully he will herald its reintroduction but there's no fraudulent guru money in that so I doubt it.

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    It's fucking shit though. The most left-wing person I've seen on tv recently (Peston last night and Question Time maybe a couple of weeks ago) has been Jess fucking Phillips.

    Union representatives should be on air as much, if not more than, these fucking opaquely funded thinktanks like the IEA.

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    Also, blow up the bank of England.

    Predicting the longest ever recession but also jacking up interest rates at the same time. Cunts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    Also, blow up the bank of England.

    Predicting the longest ever recession but also jacking up interest rates at the same time. Cunts.
    They are so far behind the curve with these rate rises. Should have been at 3% this time last year when they were pissing about and now all they are doing is hammering the rate up now to bring it down again this time next year.

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    Why should they have been at 3% last year?

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    Ideally they'd have been putting them up incrementally since about 2014. Squandering one of the main tools to tackle recessions (cutting interest rates) is completely idiotic.
    Last edited by Ben; 03-11-2022 at 01:41 PM. Reason: a word

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    Why should they have been at 3% last year?
    I think that should read "this time last year at the latest".

    Leaving interest rates at 0% (which we only had because of the 2008 financial crisis) for a decade, for absolutely no reason, is on par with what Liz Truss did.

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    But then surely you'd have choked off the meagre growth we had throughout the 2010s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben View Post
    Ideally they'd have been putting them up incrementally since about 2014. Squandering one of the main tools to tackle recessions (cutting interest rates) is completely idiotic.
    But they're predicting the "longest ever" recession now and they're putting interest rates up? They might not have room to cut them but surely you'd not raise them if they're one of the main tools to tackle recessions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    But then surely you'd have choked off the meagre growth we had throughout the 2010s?
    And probably also any economic recovery from covid?

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    This an energy shock which the right used to their advantage in the 70s with the oil crises and we're seeing it (and falling for it) all over again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    But then surely you'd have choked off the meagre growth we had throughout the 2010s?
    That's the Government's job to sort

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    But they're predicting the "longest ever" recession now and they're putting interest rates up? They might not have room to cut them but surely you'd not raise them if they're one of the main tools to tackle recessions?
    They feel inflation getting out of control is more dangerous (in the short term) than a contracting economy.

    Having both at the same time is why we're so fucked, needing to raise and cut interest rates concurrently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben View Post
    They feel inflation getting out of control is more dangerous (in the short term) than a contracting economy.

    Having both at the same time is why we're so fucked, needing to raise and cut interest rates concurrently.
    This is the issue and this is why rates should have risen earlier no it wouldn't have controlled all of the inflation but it would have had an impact on inflation whereas it's now 10% it might only have been 6/7% still not great but not as bad as it is and therefore it's then less likely to become embedded in the economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Emia View Post
    This is the issue and this is why rates should have risen earlier no it wouldn't have controlled all of the inflation but it would have had an impact on inflation whereas it's now 10% it might only have been 6/7% still not great but not as bad as it is and therefore it's then less likely to become embedded in the economy.
    How would have rates being higher earlier have controlled some of the inflation (reducing it to say 6/7%)? It wouldn't have stopped energy prices rising.

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