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    Close it off lads, the internet has peaked

    Edit: Parklife one below it also.

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    It’s the ‘AYYYY’ that gets me every time

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    Brilliant.

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    Amazing.

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    I saw that one earlier. It's good, but it doesn't fit the tune properly. Some should get Tommy boy to do it again.

    The X-Factor one is gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoonsky View Post
    It’s not like confederate symbols were later appropriated by racists. The entire basis of the confederacy was white supremacy. There’s no non-racist version of the confederate flag or confederate statues.

    I’d knock the confederate statues down because they’re still a potent rallying symbol for the cause of white supremacy in the south, which is alive and well. I don’t imagine you have similar nutjobs in the UK rallying around this statue in Bristol. That’s the difference to me; and I’d disagree with the protesters in Bristol on that basis.

    If you need evidence that confederate statues are potent symbols today, remember that huge neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville formed in opposition to the removal of a Lee statue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_...ly?wprov=sfti1
    There appears to be a quite a lot of people who think that the entire basis of the United States was and is white supremacy. How would their arguments differ from yours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    Any teaching of Britain's role in things like Ireland or India would be useful. My memories of history include Ancient Egypt, Tudors, Stewarts, some of WW1 and WW2 and then British development in health in the final 100 years. Nothing memorable on empire.
    Same here. A little bit on the industrial revolution and the peasants revolt and not much else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    There appears to be a quite a lot of people who think that the entire basis of the United States was and is white supremacy. How would their arguments differ from yours?
    Isn't that because of that NY Times project they released?

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    That can't have helped.

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    Also, Tommy's had his teeth whitened in lockdown. Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon. I still giggle that he commoned his name up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    That can't have helped.
    Apparently it is becoming school curriculum in some places. Sounds a bit crazy to me, but what do I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shindig View Post
    Also, Tommy's had his teeth whitened in lockdown. Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon. I still giggle that he commoned his name up.
    I remember a rumour going around that Danny Dyers real first name is Giles and I have never been more disappointed to find out that something wasn't true.

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    Hilarious.

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    All this blackface woe needs to go and lie in its piss. Fucking ridiculous.

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    Come Fly With Me being pulled due to 'times changing' is an absolute joke, it was last aired originally only 9 years ago ffs.

    If Jim Davidson had wandered into the BBC proposing some of the stuff in either that or Little Britain he'd have been kicked out on his arse, but presumably the BBC were falling over themselves to get the quota of prime time content made by homosexuals up and were blinded as a result.

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    No great loss but it's retarded and if they come for Ali G I'll fucking commit some atrocities against the Black Lives.

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    I would say Come Fly With Me and Lucas and Walliams generally came from a good place, but in that show they had a character who was the embodiment of the slur Ron Atkinson was sacked for, portrayed by someone who'd blacked up, in 2011.

    It's almost a work of genius that they got it on prime time BBC.

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    Is Tropic Thunder (and, by extension, RD Jr) safe from cancellation?

    I think so, because they were satirizing low-budget productions that employ blackface (and specifically addressed it as part of the narrative), but 2020 has been a strange year.

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    Our BLM protest was today. It was great. I'm editing together footage now, my favourite shot I got so far was this:


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    Why do all the foreign protests have English signs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Why do all the foreign protests have English signs?
    37% of the population of Geneva are foreign...

    If you add foreigners that have lived here long enough to naturalise, it's 61%...

    Our country has 4 official languages not including English...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Why do all the foreign protests have English signs?
    Because in other languages it's a term of affection, you see . . .

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    It's a good effort lads, but the only answer I'm accepting is 'because America still has the world on strings and the afflicted will emulate them until the end of time'

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    That sounds about right, taking your cue from the imperial capital. With that in mind, it's slightly ironic to see people freaking out about this who every other week tend more towards a [pretend] European identity (and who obviously ignored the French police battering protesters every Saturday for months on end).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    That sounds about right, taking your cue from the imperial capital. With that in mind, it's slightly ironic to see people freaking out about this who every other week tend more towards a [pretend] European identity (and who obviously ignored the French police battering protesters every Saturday for months on end).
    We literally never joined the EU and there are constant protests against police brutality, pro-union marches, pro-rent control, pro-welfare. Stop applying your preconceptions to literally everywhere else on the planet. It's pathetic.

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    This sculpture shit seems to be Europe's answer to creating the problem on their shores, news showed one being taken down in Antwerp and another in Canary Wharf. There's apparently one in Shrewsbury getting bad press too, geezer apparently failed to laugh at a Lenny Henry xmas DVD. Buzzing to see Balotelli lead calls for the Colosseum to be flattened.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...defiant-locals


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    (and who obviously ignored the French police battering protesters every Saturday for months on end).
    My wife is still seething over that. The NYT basically called them all scum, while lauding the Hong Kong protesters for their bravery/benevolence/whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    We literally never joined the EU and there are constant protests against police brutality, pro-union marches, pro-rent control, pro-welfare. Stop applying your preconceptions to literally everywhere else on the planet. It's pathetic.
    I think he meant people in Britain.

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    One of the slave owners having my surname has knocked me off my high horse somewhat.

    One of the chosen few descended from both slaves and slave owners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    We literally never joined the EU and there are constant protests against police brutality, pro-union marches, pro-rent control, pro-welfare. Stop applying your preconceptions to literally everywhere else on the planet. It's pathetic.
    He was talking about 'foreign protests' and 'the world', much of which - beyond Switzerland - remains in the American cultural orbit. That ties into my second point, which refers more specifically to people in this country. You should read things a couple of times before applying your preconceptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    One of the slave owners having my surname has knocked me off my high horse somewhat.

    One of the chosen few descended from both slaves and slave owners.
    That one seems particularly stupid when it was outside a museum which tells the story of the docks he developed, presumably including its connections to the unsavoury stuff. Unless it doesn't, in which case it isn't a very good museum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luca View Post
    Is Tropic Thunder (and, by extension, RD Jr) safe from cancellation?

    I think so, because they were satirizing low-budget productions that employ blackface (and specifically addressed it as part of the narrative), but 2020 has been a strange year.
    Yes and so is Always Sunny.

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    What an image (if it comes out).

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    Keeping the distance as well. Quite beautiful.

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    They are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    That one seems particularly stupid when it was outside a museum which tells the story of the docks he developed, presumably including its connections to the unsavoury stuff. Unless it doesn't, in which case it isn't a very good museum.
    How is the telling of the story diminished by the removal of the statue?

    They could have stuck it inside, I suppose, but what's the point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    Come Fly With Me being pulled due to 'times changing' is an absolute joke
    little britain now as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaysus View Post
    little britain now as well
    Yeah I knew they both had been. Point I was making specifically about Come Fly With Me was that if the content of that show isn't acceptable now, it wasn't a mere 9 years ago either.

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    I was watching a Mitchell and Webb recently (their sketch show, maybe 10 years old at most) and they do a scene where they both black up to do some kind of historical battle re-enactment. Mid-scene, one of them turns to the other, breaks character and says: 'Isn't this... you know... a bit racist?' followed by a long explanation of why it is very racist, and taking the piss out of the absurdity of historical re-enactments in general.

    I thought it was a good and funny sketch which made a good point, but I bet they wouldn't even be allowed to do that now, a mere few years later.

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    Link us, pls.

    I saw some left wing feminist comedian who was balls deep into BLM get 'cancelled' for something very similiar, I'd be surprised if even those two don't get pounced on by the rabid dogs.

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    Weren't some people offended at Downey Jr. going blackface in Tropic Thunder, even though the whole point was to take the piss out of Hollywood for using black face... (i haven't seen the film, but heard Downey talking about it).
    Last edited by John Arne; 10-06-2020 at 11:32 AM.

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    Context does not make things right, just as it didn't matter who George Floyd was and what he had done. If you can't see why painting your face isn't the same as taking the life of a man, then you're just as bad as those who comitted these acts.

    I need to start tweeting views like that. The likes

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    Tropic Thunder probably should be expunged from history on the basis of it being truly awful.

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    First they came for Little Britain, and I did not speak out...

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    Yeah , I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -james- View Post
    How is the telling of the story diminished by the removal of the statue?

    They could have stuck it inside, I suppose, but what's the point?
    He was commemorated as the man behind the development of the docks, so having the statue out the front of the dock museum complex is a good starting point to exploring how all this stuff fitted into society. It's the perfect context for it. It makes it simply an artefact, and no more an endorsement of anything than that T-55 outside the Imperial War Museum North is.

    This review into London statues seems to me to be trying to reassure people that it won't be coming for the historically significant tackle (Winston Churchill, Nelson's Column, etc.), but doesn't that just shoot its own argument to bits? If the case for removing monuments is that they exert a malign cultural influence, thereby bolstering all of that bad institutional racism, aren't the high-profile monuments exactly the ones you want to be going for?

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    Twitter has been gunning for Churchill today;


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    He also did Gallipoli though so does that even it out?

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    Not forgetting Dresden.

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    Yeah he bombed a lot of aryans, the best of the white folk.

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