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    Brooklyn Nine Nine is gone to shit.

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    I binged McMafia on Netflix over the last two days. Anyone else watched it?

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    Started watching Lost in Space a few days ago and I'm near the start of season 2.

    It's ok at best really. The main antagonist is really shit, the character is bland, I hate the actress and I just don't believe in any of her storylines.

    Outside of that the rest of the family are alright (especially Penny and Judy) and Don West is good but it's also a little too tame and safe which is a shame as it could be something really good if they just went for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernanke View Post
    Has anyone watched Devs?
    Burned through the last half of this last night, after watching the first four in a Fibonacci style, so maybe I was being punished for watching all 4 instead of 3, as, in the end, considering it tries to deal with similar themes to Westworld 3, but in a more 'irl' context, I thought it did an impressive job of being less believable than the futuristic theme park androids trying to destroy humanity. I suppose it was enjoyable enough in a pulp fiction sort of way, but, from a sci-fi perspective it felt like they'd skim read a couple of classics (say Slaughterhouse 5) and then attempted to transpose them into a modern context, clumsily.

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    Someone tell me if Killing Eve three is good (I loved series one and liked series two).

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    It's good so far but it's too early to tell.

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    I've just finished the third episode of The Innocence Files on Netflix and you lot need to tune in. This is pretty darn good!

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    Second case (4 & 5) was good too, heartbreakingly so. I've watched a lot of docs and read a lot of books around the work of the Innocence Project, and this is some of the more well made stuff I've come across.

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    I ended up watching the whole lot during an all nighter but the first 3/4 of the series is top notch. Crazy Americans!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    Brooklyn Nine Nine is gone to shit.
    How many bad episodes in a row do they have to put out before you start digging the grave? This is at least the third time you've had the shovel out and while I haven't seen the last two, the one with JK Simmoms was excellent. It's not what it was, nothing is after 150 eps, but it's far from shit and they still put out the odd cracker

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    I've enjoyed every episode this season tbh.

    I think he just hates Holt for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    I binged McMafia on Netflix over the last two days. Anyone else watched it?
    I seem to remember it being pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    How many bad episodes in a row do they have to put out before you start digging the grave? This is at least the third time you've had the shovel out and while I haven't seen the last two, the one with JK Simmoms was excellent. It's not what it was, nothing is after 150 eps, but it's far from shit and they still put out the odd cracker
    Yeah probably a bit too quick on that one. Like you say, it'll never be as good but it's still better than most things.

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    The Last Dance episode 1 is on Netflix now. It's the story of the 90's Bulls, and in particularly Michael Jordan.

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    The Nest on iPlayer was quite enjoyable. Re: the ending though

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    Not sure it's one for this thread but also enjoying I'll Get This on the BBC. It sounds shit but they've got the format and line-up spot on. Very much enjoyed how little time Jonathan Ross has for Mark Wright and how apparent he makes it.

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    Some fun-looking lineups, if a bit exactly-two-women-and-exactly-one-black-guy, might give it a try. On that note, can somebody explain how Jermaine Jenas has somehow transitioned into general celebrity status (I know the real answer to this, but come on) and is there any way I can help reverse this process?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Andy Mahowry View Post
    Started watching Lost in Space a few days ago and I'm near the start of season 2.

    It's ok at best really. The main antagonist is really shit, the character is bland, I hate the actress and I just don't believe in any of her storylines.

    Outside of that the rest of the family are alright (especially Penny and Judy) and Don West is good but it's also a little too tame and safe which is a shame as it could be something really good if they just went for it.
    Finished season 2 today and it was a lot better than season 1 especially the last few episodes of season 2.

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    I enjoyed Devs a lot.

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    The trailer for I'll Get This looked fun so I'll give that a bash. Devs trailer looked like too generic an affair though. And that is the trailer roundup from me.

    I had to scroll back a page to double-check but I don't think I've ranted about this on here yet. It' still in early development so I'm yet to fully sit down and analyse the evidence but I really can't be fucked with any of these Netflix TV series'.

    I recall Making a Murderer as being one of the early ones we watched together like the gay commune we are. I can't recall any earlier ones but I recall watching The Staircase, The Jinx and Wild Wild Country since.

    Now the story and material they're working with is often superb but it's all become very The Apprentice with the artistic uniformity that is present in all of them which really bores me because as good as the stories are, they never warrant the gargantuan hours of TV they're milked for. Wild Wild Country was the last one I saw I think and that became a slog at just six episodes. Now I've just investigated the Jordan one (as that's one that actually piqued my interest and is something I had prior interest in) and it's ten fucking episodes and that's not even his life, just one season. Similarly I didn't bother with the City one (did Liverpool have one too?) even though dressing room footage of top level football is my xvideos.

    Do well-focussed feature-length documentaries even exist any more? You just know Dear Zachary would have been split into a 15 parter in this day and age.

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    Three Identical Strangers is a brilliant ninety minute documentary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Three Identical Strangers is a brilliant ninety minute documentary.
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    I find all these Netflix documentaries boring now. I tried Tiger King. I think I watched two episodes and I can't be arsed with any more.

    I tried that Wild Wild Country one before and got bored in the first episode of it. What was that other one people raved about, Evil Genius? I watched all of it and thought it was shit.

    The best long form documentary I've seen is that OJ Simpson one on the BBC. Instead of just focusing on wacky individuals like the Netflix ones seem to, it properly interrogates the social and cultural context which the events took place in.

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    I'm with you on this. 'Strange man is strange' doesn't make a good documentary for me, although clearly it does for everyone else.

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    I watched Michael Moore's new doc and it's a bit of an eye opener (obviously a bit of a hatchet job as well). I wonder how much of it is actually America's implementation of green energy v other countries.

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    I love them, but they are increasingly too long.

    Tiger King could have easily been 2 episodes shorter, I'm sure some will say more.

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    Wild Wild Country was amazing, Tiger King was fun then got really sad.

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    Agree with Yev, needs an editor to make it much shorter. WWC was pretty amazing but as with all of these things, I'm often thinking, this can only happen in America.

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    95% of American media content is far too long, whether it's sitcom series of 20+, or movies that go on for three hours, or podcasts that dribble on to the point of induced somnolence.

    The concept of tight editing is something they have yet to discover as a nation. I think there's just a bigger-is-better mindset.

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    I had only started browsing Netflix for stuff recently (I used to just look for specific things on it), and it seems to me that the vast majority of it is filler wank. I think my mother gets Sky and Sky Movies for about thirty quid a month, which seems like an infinitely better deal than a roughly equivalent amount spent on the various streaming packages.

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    Without wanting to be too red, I would say BBC for the licence fee is better value than Netflix for around the same amount per annum. It depends on one's tastes though. If half-arsed American vampire serials are your thing then maybe the flix is the best.

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    They Shall Not Grow Old is a cracker WW1 film in colour on Netflix.

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    Was on the normal telly first (here, at least). But yeah, it's great.

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    Netflix and Prime are wall-to-wall shit. iPlayer (whose archived section I only recently discovered) shits on both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don View Post
    You just know Dear Zachary would have been split into a 15 parter in this day and age.
    I hate how true this is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don View Post
    Netflix and Prime are wall-to-wall shit. iPlayer (whose archived section I only recently discovered) shits on both.
    On that note, this is one of the most engrossing things I've ever seen.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...ngle-episode-1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    95% of American media content is far too long, whether it's sitcom series of 20+, or movies that go on for three hours, or podcasts that dribble on to the point of induced somnolence.

    The concept of tight editing is something they have yet to discover as a nation. I think there's just a bigger-is-better mindset.
    On the other end of this argument, whoever thought eight episodes was enough for a proper series needs a swift kicking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    I enjoyed Devs a lot.
    Same. The main glaring plot point in the entire thing for me was:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    His mum managing to be "half Jewish, half Sicilian" is a new one on me.
    Half nationality, half religion.

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    That's new to you? Pretty typical way of describing this

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    Yes, new to me. What does half Jewish even mean in the context are where someone is from? Or do they just mean Italian who is also Jewish?

    As someone who is half English, half atheist, I find this very strange indeed.

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    You inherit Jewishness through your mother, not your father. Hence how you can be half.

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    Judaism and Jewishness are separate (ish) things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Arne View Post
    His mum managing to be "half Jewish, half Sicilian" is a new one on me.
    Half nationality, half religion.
    Phonics is right Jewish mum, you're Jewish. Non-Jewish mum, you're not. You can't be half Jewish. It's an odd set up, but they're so Insular it probably rarely matters.

    That said, so are the Sicilians. It was probably a Mafia type banging his accountant.

    Stereotypes.

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    YoU cAn'T bE rAcIsT aGaInSt A rElIgIoN

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    The Mafia isn't a religion mate.

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    Arancini are though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    You inherit Jewishness through your mother, not your father. Hence how you can be half.
    Got ya. Ta.
    Edit: still, being Jewish is a religion/race, so presumably you are still half Italian, half another country, who also happens to be half Jewish? I get that sometimes Jewish means more than religion, but it still doesn't describe a nationhood..?
    Edit2: ignore me. She is half America, half Italian. Half Jewish.

    Nothing to see here.
    Last edited by John Arne; 24-04-2020 at 05:08 PM.

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    He's probably just speaking generally because his point is that she wasn't actually from a wholly Jewish background. He's not going to break it down into nationality and ethnicity (Sicilian/Italian) is he.

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    Just watched Brexit: The Uncivil War on Netflix. The best thing about it is that they seem to have gone out of their way to find the actor that has the least possible resemblance to Borris and slapped a wig on him. Glorious.



    Cumberbatch makes for a decent Deadly Dom, but being a cunt is a busmans holiday for him.

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