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    Stroll and Vettel should get grid penalties for that nonsense. Although starting Vettel further back probably invites more trouble. LeClerc defended for his life. I'd be seeing that as a turning point for the season but I thought the same about Verstappen from his back-to-backs.

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    I don't think this heralds a grand resurgence from Ferrari, we've run out of straight line dominated tracks. Even yesterday Ferrari had the slower car, it was just fast enough in the right places that they couldn't be overtaken.

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    Yeah, Singapore will be a rude awakening I fear.

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    Fair. They do tend to produce at Spa and Monza. It's all the fiddly shit until Suzuka in about 14 rounds time.

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    Schumacher's been having some stem cell treatments. The full Christopher Reeve.

    EDIT: I've started watching 1994. I barely remember any of it as a kid. I've got 20 laps of Brazil left and Schumacher's just lapped Hill in 3rd. Christ. Also clocked the first big crash of the year. Verstappen being shifted wide into a spin by Irvine in the Jordan. Verstappen barrel rolls, almost takes Brundle's head with it and four cars are out. The liveries are very 90s with the only one looking bland being the black Sauber box.

    As soon as Senna spins out, the grandstands fucking empty.
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    Finished Imola 1994. It's the best race of the year so far but there's so much of the carnage I forget. One of the wheels from the start crash clears the grandstand, Martini's loose wheel from the pit stop barrelling into the Ferrari and Lotus pit crews, etc. I really liked ESPN's commentary duo of a yank whose name I can't remember and Derek Daly. So much talk about engines, bigging up Schumacher's mad start to the year and managing to keep their shit together whilst everything goes to shit. Daly was livid with the medical crews not getting to Senna immediately and by the time the loose wheel runs through the pit lane, Bob Varscha finally gives up.

    As for the race, doing it on aggregate time gave it some kind of intrigue. Hill had to fight his way back from contact with Schumi. Katayama finished 5th. Larini did a decent job subbing for Alesi and Mika finished strongly in 3rd. The scrap between Berger and Schumacher at the restart was decent. Monaco's off to a great start with Wendlinger's quali crash. He's doing alright in the Sauber but that impact at the chicane put him in a coma.

    It's like watching 9/11.

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    LeClerc.

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    Haven't watched much of this weekend, have the Ferrari aero upgrades just been absolute gold or have they mullered their race pace in favour of track position?

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    The former. They do have the better car overall now instead of just engine.

    Mercedes having great race pace and a Hamilton is what's keeping the battle up there.

    This piddling about slowing down on purpose is shit.

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    This Mercedes strategy is very odd.

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    They're very bold on thinking the others will die off at the end.

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    Can we just ban Grosjean from all future races please?

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    This is a crap circuit, nothing can happen without a safety car ensuing.

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    I haven't seen a replay of the Russell-Grosjean incident... anyone (Grosjean) to blame?

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    The door was closed but he(Grosjean) tried to force it in anyway.

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    Such a dire race.

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    Whoever did strategy for Hamilton and LeClerc is getting an earful tonight.

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    Trying to second guess the safety car is probably the best strategy in Singapore, well, perhaps second best to instigating one.

    Mercedes got it wrong by about 3 laps didn't they?

    Hamilton is just concerned about winning the title, so as long as Bottas is behind him and he finishes races that's all that really matters.

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    I half wonder if Mercedes haven't got their eye on next season developmentally, or are at least allocating more resources to it than they would if they felt they were really in a title fight.

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    Didn't Alonso win in singapore by getting his teammate to drive into the wall?

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    Leclerc's a monster at the minute. Hamilton's done well to split them.

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    One minute warning, this start time nearly caught me out.

    Can't wait to see how Ferrari will blow this advantage over the winter.

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    Mercedes don't seem to have brought many, if any, upgrades since before the summer break.

    Maybe they've assumed the titles won and are pumping resources into 2020?

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    Does LeClerc just want the FIA just to hand him the championship? Easier that way.

    "We'll talk about it later". You're a rookie kid, reel it in.

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    "Multi 2, 1. Seb"

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    I would lol at Seb for refusing to accept team orders, but the team orders were absolutely retarded so he's probably right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    I would lol at Seb for refusing to accept team orders, but the team orders were absolutely retarded so he's probably right.
    Yup. I'm no Seb fan - but the orders were silly. As for LEC saying "I gave him the tow"... You were in pole mate - you had no choice. He did you - let it go.

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    It does sound like it was a pre-race agreement, he didn't even defend into the first corner. Not that it makes a lot of sense then, either.

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    Love this from Vettel, proper billy big balls move.

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    You also don't swap drivers 10 laps into a race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serj View Post
    It does sound like it was a pre-race agreement, he didn't even defend into the first corner. Not that it makes a lot of sense then, either.
    It's fairly clear that the deal was Leclerc would give him the slipstream off the start in order to get him past Hamilton then they would swap back around. Vettel has muddied the waters a bit by getting a perfect start then disappearing up the track. He can conceivably shrug his shoulders and say he would have let him by had be been behind him.

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    Bottas is getting hung out to dry again here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco View Post
    It's fairly clear that the deal was Leclerc would give him the slipstream off the start in order to get him past Hamilton then they would swap back around. Vettel has muddied the waters a bit by getting a perfect start then disappearing up the track. He can conceivably shrug his shoulders and say he would have let him by had be been behind him.
    Well yes. Though there was a lot of radio discussion going on while Leclerc was actually directly behind him.

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    Ferrari are proper mugging this up. They just can't help themselves.

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    Holding Vettel out longer to avoid the argument

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    Riccardo Dastardli obviously unscrewed something during that pit stop.

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    Well this post race is going to be very interesting.

    How convenient that is.

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    Turning his engine off was a bit much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Can't wait to see how Ferrari will blow this advantage over the winter.
    You didn't even have to wait an hour.

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    Mercedes 1-2 here would be hilarious.

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    Is he waiting to put the engine into quattro formaggi mode in the last five laps or is this it? Starting to think it's the latter.

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    I think that's it.

    Tin foil hat time says Vettel stopped the car where he did as a fuck you to the team, to cause a safety car.

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    Ferrari fucking that up in almost every way they could. Mercedes 1-2 and topped off by driving home in formation. Glorious.

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    I don't understand why it's 'unfair' if someone gets a slipstream off the start. That's just physics. They tied themselves in knots over it.

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    It's unfair that the other guy was miles faster than me, so I demand the overtake.

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    I think they wanted to stop them fighting into turn one but they swapped them at the pit stop anyway so tgat should be that. Different story if Leclerc had stuck to the back of him but he was four seconds down the road so he doesn't have much to complain about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Fox View Post
    I think that's it.

    Tin foil hat time says Vettel stopped the car where he did as a fuck you to the team, to cause a safety car.
    I think that's exactly what happened. The way he got out the car and jumped off it looked like he was really happy with himself.

    If it's not already, I can see the team atmosphere becoming really toxic really fast in Ferrari.

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    They told him to stop it, he got as humanly possible to an easy recovery point and it was the Williams that triggered the full safety car.

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    Yeah, I can't have any complaints from how Seb performed today. Parked it up in a safe spot and Leclerc wasn't closing him down when the orders were given.

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