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    Vegetarianism/veganism

    I think I'm on the verge of crossing over, but I'm not really sure what the best route is. It's mainly for animal cruelty reasons, but I also don't want to turn into a wimp.

    The advice I've received so far is to just try and cut down slowly or go pescatarian. I don't really understand why fish are fair game if they also feel pain, but I guess it's more living conditions before death.

    I'm also worried about complete protein sources if I went full vegan. Is tofu the only one?

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    Could you not just take one of those powders that meat heads take?

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    Give up vegetables instead.

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    Nuts and eggs will help make up daily protien.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    Could you not just take one of those powders that meat heads take?
    I already do, but ideally you should get your protein from multiple sources. Plus if I was to go vegan, whey protein would be out so I'd have to look at alternatives for that too.
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    Nuts and eggs will help make up daily protien.
    Nuts aren't a decent source of protein per calorie imo and also need to be paired with a grain to make a complete protein. Eggs bring up the cruelty thing again, and aren't even that high in protein.

    Ideally I'd want higher than 10g of protein per 100 calories. Tofu only just cuts the mustard.

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    I've made a conscious effort this year to reduce my meat intake - but mostly for environmental reasons.
    Don't think I'll ever go fully over simply because I don't care enough to, but at least I feel like I'm doing my bit.

    Science magazines tell me we're not far away from lab meat anyway? That Quorn stuff is alright as it is for substitute in specific dishes already.

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    Legumes! Aren't beans and lentils and the like super good for you?

    Not sure it's possible to go vegetarian/vegan (don't go vegan) for ethical reasons and not be a bit of a knob.

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    Apparently fish don’t feel pain like land animals do, which is why they’re often not off-limits. Though i wonder if they can feel impending doom or dread, which would probably be worse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Offshore Toon View Post
    I already do, but ideally you should get your protein from multiple sources. Plus if I was to go vegan, whey protein would be out so I'd have to look at alternatives for that too.

    Nuts aren't a decent source of protein per calorie imo and also need to be paired with a grain to make a complete protein. Eggs bring up the cruelty thing again, and aren't even that high in protein.

    Ideally I'd want higher than 10g of protein per 100 calories. Tofu only just cuts the mustard.
    Yep my mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Offshore Toon View Post
    I think I'm on the verge of crossing over, but I'm not really sure what the best route is. It's mainly for animal cruelty reasons, but I also don't want to turn into a wimp.

    The advice I've received so far is to just try and cut down slowly or go pescatarian. I don't really understand why fish are fair game if they also feel pain, but I guess it's more living conditions before death.

    I'm also worried about complete protein sources if I went full vegan. Is tofu the only one?
    Beans, chickpeas, lentils etc. are meant to be good protein sources right?

    Where do you stand on honey out of interest?

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    I dated a vegetarian once. Her pussy smelled like shit. Never again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mugbull View Post
    Apparently fish don’t feel pain like land animals do, which is why they’re often not off-limits. Though i wonder if they can feel impending doom or dread, which would probably be worse
    Watching a fish flop around when taken out of the water doesn't really give a "having a good time" vibe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SincereTheRebel View Post
    I dated a vegetarian once. Her pussy smelled like shit. Never again.

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    I think the main thinking behind pescatarianism is "Yeah but.... I really like fish."

    Animal cruelty is bad maaaaan but please if you could boil that lobster alive for me that'd be grand.

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    Nobody reallllyyy likes fish

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    If your ethical framework is basically "minimize suffering," and because of that you are looking into veganism, wouldn't you be much more effective by donating a few bucks to a charity that provides malaria nets or whatever every time you eat a burger instead of going for the chickpeas? By not having to eat tofu you are also minimizing your own suffering, so it is a win-win situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mugbull View Post
    Nobody reallllyyy likes fish
    People with the correct taste buds do, you savage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SincereTheRebel View Post
    I dated a vegetarian once. Her pussy smelled like shit. Never again.

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    Lobsters aren't fish either.

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    Fair point.

    Are shelled thingies allowed with pescatarianism? Is it just anything that lives in the sea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    Fair point.

    Are shelled thingies allowed with pescatarianism? Is it just anything that lives in the sea?
    Someone who is making the big back slapping declaration that they won't eat meat but will eat fish is just suiting themselves anyway, so it'll just come down to whether you like lobster or not.

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    I respect vegans though. I think its a great thing that they do. Go for it. Most never look back.

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    If people gave up meat wouldn't every pig and ninety-nine per cent of cows have to be annihilated overnight? If anything you're doing them a favour.

    I reckon I could give up meat if I had to, if it was going to give me baldness or some other major health issue; but you would have to take my dairy products from my cold dead hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    If people gave up meat wouldn't every pig and ninety-nine per cent of cows have to be annihilated overnight? If anything you're doing them a favour.

    I reckon I could give up meat if I had to, if it was going to give me baldness or some other major health issue; but you would have to take my dairy products from my cold dead hands.
    Being tasty is one of the most beneficial attributes a species can have. And if you're even vaguely careful about where you buy your meat then welfare just isn't an issue (for anyone who isn't a giant wally).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Offshore Toon View Post
    I think I'm on the verge of crossing over, but I'm not really sure what the best route is. It's mainly for animal cruelty reasons, but I also don't want to turn into a wimp.

    The advice I've received so far is to just try and cut down slowly or go pescatarian. I don't really understand why fish are fair game if they also feel pain, but I guess it's more living conditions before death.

    I'm also worried about complete protein sources if I went full vegan. Is tofu the only one?
    Protein is a piece of piss. All of the soy products inc tofu, Seitan (piss easy to make huge amounts of but there’s a lot of rogue recipes out there), peanut butter is a big fave, as are pulses which are all rounders with the fibre content as well, plus most of the plant milks are high in protein too. My apps tend to tell me I’m on the high end of protein intake from tea and coffees alone.

    I’d agree gradual works in my experience - started more plant meals in 14, moved to only eating meat when ‘out’ after a year, veggie all times a year after that and now vegan for over two years. Each step was quite easy in honesty as I did gradually.

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    What is the major benefits of this all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SincereTheRebel View Post
    What is the major benefits of this all?
    Avoiding an existential crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    If people gave up meat wouldn't every pig and ninety-nine per cent of cows have to be annihilated overnight? If anything you're doing them a favour.
    Nah mate, we will adopt them as pets.

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    At least until pets are deemed immoral too, then we will secede some land to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Merse View Post
    My apps tend to tell me I’m on the high end of protein intake from tea and coffees alone.
    Wut

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    At least until pets are deemed immoral too, then we will secede some land to them.
    The irony is (at least over here) there are far more regulations surrounding the treatment of livestock than there are for pets.

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    How do you know when someones a vegan? They'll bloody tell you

    Quote Originally Posted by mugbull View Post
    Nobody reallllyyy likes fish
    They don't have any feelings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    How do you know when someones a vegan? They'll bloody tell you
    Alright, LadBible.

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    Lecture, not tell.

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    A load of vegan places in Glasgow use jackfruit as a meat substitute, and while it does taste pretty banging, I struggle to see how it's less ethically objectionable than eating a chicken from down the road, given jackfruit has to be flown over in tins from South east Asia.

    I'm mostly vegetarian, I don't really see the point in completely absolutely abstaining (lol at parmesan deniers), mostly because basically all food will have caused harm to something at some point.
    Last edited by dino; 02-09-2019 at 05:02 PM.

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    What the fuck is a parmesan denier and how annoyed am I going to be when I find out?

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    Welcome to the club. As others have said protein intake shouldn't be a cause for concern if you're smart about it.

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    Veganism baffles me, why constrain your life with needless rules? I can see why people (including me) eat less meat than they might have done 30 years ago, as there is far more non-meat food available that isn't complete shit.

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    Whatever about not eating meat, why not dairy and eggs? Do the cows and chickens just multiply and roam free or do we dump them all in a big hole and chalk one up to extinction?

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    Giving up eggs I don't get, they come out of chickens anyway, you can't stop the damn things.

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    Surely someone's tried a farm where the animals all die of natural causes? Australia seem to be getting around the cow's farting with some fancy seaweed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco View Post
    Giving up eggs I don't get, they come out of chickens anyway, you can't stop the damn things.
    I had this conversation with a vegan and her stand on it was that the farming of the chickens is cruel - caged, free range, whatever. However, she would eat eggs from pet chickens as long as she was sure they were looked after.

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    This one died due to a virus
    Perfect

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    Given that 'natural causes' would be being torn apart by predators I don't reckon that would go down very well.

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    This one tripped into my massive grinder.

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    Old age, disease, etc. Would you gamble on a Bovine TB burger?

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    Chickens, cows and pigs would all die out largely if we stopped eating them which would probably make their existance a little more enjoyable.

    I'd be tempted to go vegan but the wife won't have it and fuck having separate diets.

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    That would be a first, the husband trying to get the wife to go vegan and the wife refusing

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    Alright 1960s.

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    Alright thumb print.

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