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Thread: December: Rockin' around the Premier League

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    Saka and Rashford are both cut from the same cloth. Go down at least once again with an injury as if they’ve been smashed by a bus

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    I can't take Jesus seriously, he always looks like he's seconds away from bursting into tears.

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    Same with Zinchenko.

    No idea how the referee is doing a drop ball there when Arsenal kicked the ball out of play.

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    And now the ref has given Carlos a yellow card when he literally wasn’t even looking at it.

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    Send Havertz off for going right to the ref like a little cunt.

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    Fair play to the referee for that decision there.

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    15 home wins in a row is some fucking effort

    They might have already secured top 4. One of Newcastle or spurs will drop more points tomorrow (if not both). They’ll probably bring in some more folk in January and their recruitment has been spot on

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    Villa smashed that, fair play.

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    I see Todd Boehly has signed some person up to a $700 million contract over 10 years for the Dodgers.

    They’ll have to sell some academy graduates for some pure profit to balance the books

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    Being a Villa fan right now is an absolute blast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don View Post
    Bruv no one gives a fuck about top 4, get on them to win the league next season, they're right up there with City and Arsenal since he came in and the core of the team is ripe for it.
    I should get paid for this level of content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    I'm not sure why you do the short goal kicks if your centre backs just stand on it and get pressed to death before mis-kicking it 30 yards away on the hoof. Might as well cut out the middle man and hoof it to start with.
    This threw up the interesting tactic yesterday whereby Bournemouth, directly from their [only ] kick off, deliberately kicked the ball out for a United goal kick so they could get up and press the inevitably stupid short passing escape attempt; it's good to see some sort of counter-analysis starting to emerge. I've thought for a while that giving the other team the ball in their defensive third is becoming quite a good attacking tactic.

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    You sure that was intentional? It looked like a shit pass when I watched it live. Utd were actually doing well to get out their press and attack in the opening minutes of the game too.

    The fact is it takes a greater level of perception to identify the benefits of playing out from the back so people often fall into the trap of focusing on the pitfalls.

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    It doesn't take any perception at all, it's very simple maths, the next pass being a 90% chance of keeping the ball is 'better' for your team than the next pass being a 30% chance of keeping the ball. This is what tiki taka was 15 years ago, same with Cruyff's Barcelona in the early 90s, it's nothing new. The only new part is that those percentages mount up more quickly than they used to, because the high press is in itself risky and leaves big gaps to pass into.

    The problem is that if you start dropping that percentage to 80% because your players are shit at diagnosing what the opposition are doing and worse at executing, then you start running into a lot of trouble because the mistake costs you a lot more than the equivalent difficulty pass at the far end of the pitch. This is what Methuselah and Axel Disaster kept doing on Wed night, hence my post.

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    No goal robot for City today. I assume they only win by 3 goals now.

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    I'm not sure whether playing out from the goalkeeper is the symptom or the cause of football being the most boring I've ever seen it. Roll on seven substitutes and people bringing an entirely new press on at fifty minutes like the South African rugby team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    The problem is that if you start dropping that percentage to 80% because your players are shit at diagnosing what the opposition are doing and worse at executing hence my post.
    This also has the interesting knock-on effect of players bought from systems where this type of play is done well, like Brighton, often looking a bit wank for their new teams as players see, for example, Caicedo with 2 guys near him asking for the ball and don't give it to him because there are 2 opposition players nearby, whereas at Brighton the whole point was to pass the ball to players in that sort of situation to then spring the press, which is what made him look like a £100m player.

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    I can't remember the last time a keeper just booted it out to the wing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    This also has the interesting knock-on effect of players bought from systems where this type of play is done well, like Brighton, often looking a bit wank for their new teams as players see, for example, Caicedo with 2 guys near him asking for the ball and don't give it to him because there are 2 opposition players nearby, whereas at Brighton the whole point was to pass the ball to players in that sort of situation to then spring the press, which is what made him look like a £100m player.
    Things is with Caicedo, him and Fernandez were dominating possession up until the Spurs game. Pretty sure they had the highest in the league. Obviously goals were a bit of struggle but they’ve went too far the other way now and become a transitional team all of a sudden. Chelsea were playing out from the back with only Caicedo and sometimes only one centre back in the picture. Suicidal as fuck.


    If I see Fernandez in a b2b roll again today I might be sick.

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    Whatever happened to Lavia? Was he subjected to The Operation immediately upon arrival?

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    Him and Nkunku have been injured since they signed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    I'm not sure whether playing out from the goalkeeper is the symptom or the cause of football being the most boring I've ever seen it. Roll on seven substitutes and people bringing an entirely new press on at fifty minutes like the South African rugby team.
    In general sport is at its least interesting when coaches are in complete control and at its most interesting when players are making their own decisions out on the pitch. This is why Klopp and Guardiola always drown in their own tears at this time of year, because the necessity of playing more games doesn't necessarily make their teams worse (in fact it probably exacerbates their advantages over weaker sides) but it diminishes the total control that they enjoy when conditions are in their favour.

    Five subs was an absolutely disastrous move, the sport needs to be limiting the options available to coaches, not widening them.

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    Pep is definitely getting more tetchy in his comments, hopefully it's not just related to results but from insider knowledge of them being fucked by this commission thing.

    On the subject of winter seethe, I was wondering earlier, seeing as I don't think it is possible this season now, how many times have City actually been top at Christmas? Feels like more often than not they haven't been in the last 7 years or whatever.

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    No Silva or Sterling

    Shame it’s Everton away. 1 win in about 10 years there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shindig View Post
    I can't remember the last time a keeper just booted it out to the wing.
    Onana is good for it

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    On the subject of winter seethe, I was wondering earlier, seeing as I don't think it is possible this season now, how many times have City actually been top at Christmas? Feels like more often than not they haven't been in the last 7 years or whatever.
    Half of their titles have been won from not being top at Christmas. I think of the past 5 times for a team to be top at Christmas and not win the league, 4 were Liverpool(United 09, City 14, 19 and 21) and last year we had Arsenal, also pipped by City.

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    Even if he is, he’s not a keeper. He’s a milkman in disguise.
    I'm a twit

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    Reece James. Mate. Ffs.

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    Reece James continuing to steal a living.

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    Pochettino refusing to play Fernandez deep will never not make sense.

    James subbed off already. I’m not sure he’s even injured. Looks absolutely fine and was running about before being taken off

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    Ive just set my alarm for 8pm. Barca vs Girona. Girona are top of la liga. See what they are about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don View Post
    Still only 3 pts off City though.
    Correct right now.

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    Apparently it’s another hamstring issue for James. His own fault for refusing to have surgery on it. His sister - who is literally as much of a unit as him - had the same issues before getting surgery and hasn’t had any injuries since. Not saying it will work completely but this coming back for 3 weeks and injuring it again clearly isn’t working

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    Lad might as well retire at this point.

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    If Pochettino survives tomorrow (assuming nothing changes in this game) I’ll be very surprised. Level on points with 14th ffs

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    Chelsea making solid strides towards being the third best team in West London.

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    Pochettino just had to do better than Potter/Lampard. The expectations considering the amount of money spent was fuck all. He’s somehow done worse. Absolutely fucking dreadful.

    He has to go.

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    Who's next, De Zerbi? It's gonna cost you . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waffdon View Post
    Pochettino just had to do better than Potter/Lampard. The expectations considering the amount of money spent was fuck all. He’s somehow done worse. Absolutely fucking dreadful.

    He has to go.
    You're an idiot. As if any manager is going to get this dogshit squad any better than mid table. I'd have stuck with Potter but you all wanted him gone, now you want Pochettino gone, six months and you'll want the next guy gone, rinse and repeat cocaine-snorting reddit morons.

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    That may be true but that quoted post is just a fact of life. Yeah.

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    Meanwhile, Joey Barton seems to have gone utterly mental. Did someone turn him down for a punditry job or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waffdon View Post
    Apparently it’s another hamstring issue for James. His own fault for refusing to have surgery on it. His sister - who is literally as much of a unit as him - had the same issues before getting surgery and hasn’t had any injuries since. Not saying it will work completely but this coming back for 3 weeks and injuring it again clearly isn’t working
    His sister is a thick cunt too. Only a few months since doing something similar in the WC...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Meanwhile, Joey Barton seems to have gone utterly mental. Did someone turn him down for a punditry job or something?
    He's getting in on the right wing grifter money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Meanwhile, Joey Barton seems to have gone utterly mental. Did someone turn him down for a punditry job or something?
    Must have and only because he is a white British male. Not because he is a scumbag or anything.

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    Trippier is getting roasted so hard these days, apparently because the poor guy has had to play a lot of football and needs a rest too

    And Reece James is having similar troubles with the demands too. If Trent hadn't decided to become the greatest deep-lying midfield playmaker in English history, that debate for RB would be looking pretty silly these days. As it is, it's Konsa's for the taking.

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    If we're talking defences looking awful with the ball at their feet, the Newcastle trio (not named Livramento) are definitely in that category.

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    Lascelles should have been back in the Championship a long time ago.

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    This game is far from done woth Spurs playing so naively.

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    A nice repudiation of 'he had to do it' on a ridiculous cynical booking there, as the man who got it, Lascelles, is then embarrassed defensively from the resulting free kick and the goal is scored.

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    The Everton seethe if they wind up 10 points off a Champions League spot. As for us, we're just slightly shit at the minute. Although that also applies to half the league.

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