We lost 179 army personnel in 7 years of fighting in Iraq. 405 in 20 years of fighting in Afghanistan. Russia's lost over 10,000 in a week. I know they're very, very different conflicts but it's mad that over 1% of their army strength has gone that quickly.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-60608132
Mikhail Watford is such a regen name.
Complete with a regen haircut.
10,000? Jesus wept.Originally Posted by Shindig
I think that includes injured, captured, deserted but still woeful tactics nonetheless.
Mykolenko captaindon't know if it was his idea bit that's the most Super Frank thing ever.
Handy one to do it in. He could name himself captain tonight and things aren’t going wrong.
So they expect sanctions to be short-lived. Shock.JPMorgan said on Thursday it expected Russia's economy to contract 35% in the second quarter and 7% in 2022
Yeah, there's no way the West (and I include you and me in that) are prepared to see this through for as long as it takes. We know from COVID that after about a year granny/Ukranians will be chucked under the bus.
So if fuel prices rise a bit and Ryanair flights go up to 70 quid, there are going to be demonstrations in Trafalgar Square to 'Lift Sanctions Now'? I don't think so. The race point that Taz bemoans is very important. These are white people dying in recognisable European society, it cuts to NATO hearts far more than brown deaths further afield.
You won't read that in respectable publications but it's the truth.
The closer it is to home, the more it hits. Like how everyone started shitting it when Covid got to France.
They aren't going to stick around in Ukraine (possibly/probably the two breakaways depending on what else they get). They don't need to. If they attempt to then yes they have all gone mental.
Mad Vlad hasn't been talking recently like a man who wants to see Eurovision heading back to Kiev next year.
Ukraine's entry was already banned before the tanks rolled in for being too political.
The winner of their selection show was punted as she had visited Crimea, they've given it to the runner up. Who is now the bookies favourite.Ukraine's entry was already banned before the tanks rolled in for being too political.
Also, Syria Iraq and Afghanistan weren't sitting on 100s of nukes and waving their dicks in our waters and airspace on the regular.
COVID has given us a barometer of how much we're prepared to inconvenience ourselves/suffer hardship for the benefit of others, and it's about a year. There might not be demonstrations, but the unwavering support we're seeing now won't last forever.
Nobody did except bedwetters.
Said a man who literally pissed himself.
Page 1 of the covid thread.
Taz is right. You’re allowed to bomb the shit out of anyone that’s not white. Even the refugees are a-okay.
It's a civilised country. The others aren't. Fuck them.
It being closer/Europe helps, but it will also be that, like the Russian cats, Afghans/Iraqis were seen as the opposition and part of it. Nobody gives a shit about the sanctions that we currently have in place starving the Afghans to death, but there was plenty of hand-wringing over Syrians and Kosovans and whoever else before. I can remember doing the charity appeal at school for the Kosovans (and my great nan moaning like fuck when they stuck some refugees in her flats).
I'm sure I remember doing a Ukraine charity thing at primary school as well. The shoebox one. It can't have been for a specific famine/whatever, so would they have just gone to spastics or something?
Our shoeboxes went to Romania. All that free shit plus Dan Petrescu must have made the 90s a proper golden age for them. Have they done anything this millennium?
A year (it was longer)... the behavioural scientists said a few weeks. People are far more resilient than a cynical mind thinks they are.
I remember the Kosovans too.
Actually I donated to the Afghan appeal at Christmas time when millions of them were going to die. Never happened and I bet their CEO got a bonus.
Fanned their thieving gypos out across the continent.
And yet people are calling for us to get involved directly. I'm not sure how they figure that would go. Covid would be a walk in the park in comparison.
Your German gammon brothers were up in their hundreds with free unlimited term offers to house refugees at the airport on the news. Remember, these ones are civilised, they watch eurovision and don't clean their arseholes properly, get amongst it lads.
The racism has been quite transparent to be fair.
I'm struggling to find the Jeremy Vine clip, but he was on the TV the other day saying something along the lines of "They're using Thermobaric weapons. The US have used them before, but that was in Afghanistan. This is in EUROPE!"
Yes, and that's reality. We are the white world, we have the power and money and live in peace and luxury, so to us, our deaths matter more.
In the face of this is a long queue of rich
white phonies trying to pretend otherwise.
Apparently the Russians are shooting up a nuclear plant and is now on fire. Twitter seems to think it would be 10x worse than Chernobyl. That’s one way to takeover a country
Still raging about 2016 obviously.
Just think of what it'll do for their stock prices.
How long till one of these famous Ukrainian sportspeople who have signed up gets killed? They have literally no military experience you would imagine and could end up like sitting ducks.
Are they actually signing up or just getting an Instagram shot?
I think they are there to fight, it just depends on how much of a street to street thing it becomes if/when the Russians go in. At the moment it looks like it will be bloody.
It'll be interesting to see how 'the west'/NATO reacts when the inevitable reports [and probably footage] of people being rounded up and summarily executed starts emerging. And by interesting I mean, is that a line in the sand to call the MAD bluff? It's not really a sensible exit strategy for a conflict, is it?
Yes.
Are there enough true believers on the Russian side to actually go in and organise death squads?
Shelling blocks of flats is a bit different, as you don't have to look your victims in the eye.
Also, I admire the play from Putin on this one.
1. Ukraine wants EU and NATO membership.
2. Russia invades.
3. NATO doesn't get involved.
4. Russia is all, "Still want to join, lads? They've done fuck all for you."
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/...;Bomb%20Census'.
Do we have a man on the ground? @lurkers
I think you lose your point after point 2. It's just nonsense
It's proper Bond villain stuff, that. Must be some form of incredible paranoia.
Sugar being a fucking brain dead idiot again. These billionaires will bring about the swift (pun intended) end of sanctions; it'll always boil down to rich vs. poor rather than country vs. country. So next time you're scratching your head wondering how did we let it get like this, refer back to tosspots like this one.
In war you have to punish the innocent, unfortunately, as their silence and inaction makes room for Putin to do his shit. Making some people feel the pinch in order to press for wider change is rather better than shelling them to fuck.
I'd be in favour of revoking all the visas for rich Russian kids in our boarding schools. Cruel? Yes, but too bad. It's a lever against Russian elites so it should be pulled.
Russian elites don't have the same power in Russia as they do in the whorehouse that is UK. Their millions have little effect on uncle Vova and they aren't likely to inspire the population to an uprising either.
Alan Sugar is so fucking thick. It's genuinely astonishing.
Not the Fiat 500!
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