I didn't know successful businesses were getting nimbied now. Should really be across the small town paid-off-your-mortgage League of Gentlemen cunts better than I am.Originally Posted by niko_cee
Theresa May's Conservatives
Jeremy Corbyn's Labour
Tim Farron's Liberal Democrats
Paul Nuttall's UKIP
2 people's Greens
Nicholas Durgeon's Scottish Nationalists
Satan's Sinn Fein
Dr Ian Paisley's DUP
Some other bunch of nonces
I'm foreign, but I wish I were an Englishman
I didn't know successful businesses were getting nimbied now. Should really be across the small town paid-off-your-mortgage League of Gentlemen cunts better than I am.
It'd be good to see the actual numbers rather than that fluff the BBC presents, but if retail spend goes down by 10% then that's a 0.5% hit overall and we're talking a 0.3% contraction, so that could well be a contributing factor.
The reality is as well that growth was so low before that it makes little difference that we're technically in a recession now, it's just a much scarier phrase than "UK growth at 0.1%", which is still arse water.
It's really a stagnation rather than a recession. Just as bad, if not worse.
I'm surprised people have only 10% less disposable income to spend on retail after being bummed from all angles for the last couple of years, so you have to chalk that one up as a small win really.
I should add, I plucked the 10% out of my arse to illustrate a point. No idea whether that's the number or not.
I believe that's pretty much how all economics statistics are generated.
I watched this earlier and found it interesting:
He's pretty scathing on Economists.
Disclaimer 1: yes, he looks like Smiffy.
Disclaimer 2: yes, he's a cunt.
Disclaimer 3: He could be talking a load of bollocks. It's interesting though.
Interesting but he does still somewhat suffer from the sort of god complex most traders and economists seem to have, and short of violent revolution is there a way to effect the sort of wholesale redistribution of wealth needed? No government would have the stomach, will, competence or capability to do it.
Building three million houses would be a good start.
Yeah, until Jeff Bezos buys them all.
Can we wait till my parents die and I sell their house before this.
I've had to live through this shithole long enough thatI'm owed a cheque.
Where me and the communists probably agree is that Jeff Bezos is going to have to be dragged out and murdered at some point. Same goes for Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, and John Google.
So violent revolution it is then.
Let me sell my Meta stock first please.
While I wouldn't be against it, surely you could solve not selling houses to him easier than that. Only sell them to owner occupiers or whatever.
By-elections tonight in Kingswood and Wellingborough. Kingswood is quite hard to read (Labour should probably win), but Wellingborough is a big signal post for the GE I think. This is the type of seat which is open for Labour in terms of profile and they will need to sweep them with ease to win a good majority. If the Tories get within about 10% of them then Starmer should be concerned. If Labour get over 50% of the vote and Tories sub 30%, it's a sign that they're heading for doom.
I've been out of the UK for a while... Why aren't people rioting over these gas profits? Does no one really care?
Because the UK population on the whole is not pre-disposed to civil unrest.
It is if the police kill a scumbag.
45-24.
A British-Pakistani running for Reform won 13%.
That qualifies for Tory doom but I also sense there's not vast appetite for Starmer in the way there was for Blair in 1997.
I’m old enough to remember it reasonably well and to have been relatively interested and you’re right, there absolutely isn’t.
Back then people were sick of the Tories and had a hard on for Blair, now they’re just sick of the Tories.
Can't believe the campaign message "We're the Tories but competent" isn't resonating with people.
Tony Blair sold himself really well. It's a right place, right time thing but he really played into Cool Britannia. Kier's not got that. At best he could gatecrash a Famileigh Tik Tok but that'd just look insane.
It's hard to envisage what a popular politician would look like at this point. I think every single politician is unpopular by default. YouGov have not a single one above 32% popularity. Keir is 2nd, Farage 4th and Boris 5th. David Blunkett is top. How weird.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/entertai...ty/Dale_Winton
I'm going to coin the Winton Test. If you don't have a YouGov popularity score above the dead presenter Dale Winton, you're not a popular politician.
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A British-Pakistani running for Reform won 13%.
That list is amazing. Good to see Bruce Willis getting a spike. JK Rowling at 19th though, some people clearly haven’t got the message.
What a cross section here.
Pretty chart.
So having debated in the last 50 posts where the 24% went, the next question is where did that 7% go.
@Giggles.
The video posted yesterday answers that question, and the answer is essentially house price and stock price inflation. I really would recommend watching it (if you can get past his working classery).
GDP equal to 2019 should consign any ruling party to a long spell on the sidelines. The Yanks are up over 20% in the same period.
While I don't have any issue with the sentiment around this, this comparison is so far from being like for like as to be meaningless.
The first sentence makes my point. I put in the Yank comparison solely to demonstrate you can't blame COVID for the five years of nothing.
Average house is 7% more expensive in the USA and average salary is 42% higher in the USA. 'Go figure', as they say in one of the countries.
You get more house for your money in the US too.
They also have 40 times the space with only 10 times the population.
And they make them out of plywood, PVA and freedom.
These by-elections do feel like a mix of some increased Labour support, but a healthy mix of anyone but the Tories.
We had some propaganda through the door the other week and the message on it was just to assure that we are not in any way the Labour party that had Jeremy Corbyn in it, please vote for us.
It's a big cycle this time for Labour though. The country(and most others) are leaning more to the right as time goes on, but they have a relatively easy in it seems. Starmer hasn't had to do much of anything or really nail his banners to any particular cause. This will change if/when he gets into number 10. Assuming the Tories take 5-10 years to get their shit together, then they could well end up in power for a long old time after.
I'd say it's all the latter, at least where I am. The disdain for our local Labour candidate is pretty widespread, but she will probably get back in anyway.
Not 100% sure about it being a poisoned chalice for Labour, so to speak. I think the ability to legislate consistently for a five-year period will make a big difference, if they make good/strong decisions, ofc. The Tory regime has been pillar-to-post since the Brexit vote. That was coming up for eight years ago. We've been in political stasis since then from a lawmaking perspective.
The left has been a disjointed mess for too long, with Labour, The Greens, SNP and whoever the Welsh lot are. Meanwhile, The Tozzers have had basically no competition right of centre. If Reform UK actually manage to stick the landing, it could change the dynamics of many a future election.
Hopefully that doesn't just mean Hung Parliaments forever.
If Reform even poll 8% nationally in this election, and crucially if they field a full slate of candidates, that will nobble the Tories in the white working class seats, which are also the ones Labour need to get hold of if they're to win. 8% nationally would translate into 15-20% in those seats which loses them for the Tories. There is a whole slate of northern seats - Barnsley North and Barnsley South being the clearest examples - where Brexit Party stood last time and allowed Labour to hold on against what was otherwise a Tory tide in those seats.
FPTP, the unfair system stopping Reform getting meatheads into parliament since, I dunno, 1215.
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And yet ironically Magna Carta is one of those things the nutbars on the right of politics, albeit usually outside of the UK, seem to be absolutely obsessed with.
Reverse situation here, successive Tory MPs widely reviled as it's a safe seat they parachute outsiders into who are never seen again (except once when they randomly popped up with Boris round the corner from my house for a photo op) but they'll still defeat whatever local issues for local people salt of the earth candidate Labour put up.
I'm actually in favour of parachuting outsiders into seats. MPs shouldn't give a fuck about local potholes and whether someone's fence has blown over. They should be the best quality candidates to deliberate on big picture national issues on behalf of the constituents.
Except in this consituency and my old one the parachuted in outsider Tory MPs are all backbench puppets purely there to vote whatever way the hand up their arse directs them, doing nothing of note the rest of the time.
That's down to lack of quality. 650 seats, not that many good MPs.
I'm with Jim here, outsiders aren't objectively a bad thing.
Yeah but your outsider isn’t Liz Truss. Or in the next constituency Matt Hancock.
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