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Thread: UK General Election 2017 - 8 June

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    A 4 day week doesn’t sound very stiff upper lip. 5 days and a half a Saturday is how wars are won.

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    14% of Brexit Labour voters say they would consider vote for Brexit Party/Cons. 48% of Remain Labour voters say they would consider vote for Lib Dems.

    How's that math work out? You can't argue the whole Brexit vote was fuelled by 'the left behind' and then say, 'we definitely need to go ahead with this thing that we think is a shit idea because the left behind who our government would benefit would get mad about it'.

    The whole argument is for them to go into this whole thing neutral, win a GE, negotiate a deal with the EU and then put it to a referendum where they would support NOT DOING THE DEAL THEY'VE JUST NEGOTIATED. It's fucking nuts.

    No-one with half a brain cell is buying it.

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    They secretly want to leave as EU regs probably don't allow you to enact hard socialism.

    The dream scenario for Corbz and friends is we leave with no deal, it's a total disaster and then they can blame the Tories and start socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    They secretly want to leave as EU regs probably don't allow you to enact hard socialism.

    The dream scenario for Corbz and friends is we leave with no deal, it's a total disaster and then they can blame the Tories and start socialism.
    The problem being that the 7% of GDP created by the financial industry that they want to fund most of their proposals with won't be there because they'll all have to leave the profitable stuff in the EU due to lack of Banking Passports. It's fucking moronic.

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    Have they unveiled their tax proposals yet? Can I expect to be paying 90% on some of my earnings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    The dream scenario for Corbz and friends is we leave with no deal, it's a total disaster and then they can blame the Tories and start socialism.
    100%

    The dream scenario for Farage is we don't leave, Corbz gets in and either revokes or re-referendums and a mix of global recession and (mental) marxism totally tanks everything in Britain, leaving the great unwashed crying out for their strong man populist in 5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    Have they unveiled their tax proposals yet? Can I expect to be paying 90% on some of my earnings?
    I doubt it, most modern left leaning monetary policy doesn't actually rely on income tax as only poor people end up paying it. However, this lot are from the 80s so maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    I doubt it, most modern left leaning monetary policy doesn't actually rely on income tax as only poor people end up paying it.
    That's the problem with the current system, in that there's no way in hell that a personal allowance increase that's designed to benefit the poorest people should benefit me, but it does and it's perverse that it does. I've earned well over the national average since austerity came in (increasing my salary hugely in that time period as well) and not once have I had to pay more tax on a like for like basis.

    That said, the tax rate increases under Labour in the 70s were ludicrous and I think Corbyn and J McD will take us back there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    That's the problem with the current system, in that there's no way in hell that a personal allowance increase that's designed to benefit the poorest people should benefit me, but it does and it's perverse that it does. I've earned well over the national average since austerity came in (increasing my salary hugely in that time period as well) and not once have I had to pay more tax on a like for like basis.
    Yev, if you've had your salary hugely increased over that period of time, how much do you think the people above you have? The problem is not that wealthy people exist, it's inevitable that not everyone will not have exactly the same, it's that there's an entire stratosphere above that.

    This is an American example but look at Warrens 2 cents on the dollar tax for every dollar you make over 50 million dollars a year and a 3 cents on the dollar tax for every dollar over 1 billion. They estimate that would raise 275 billion dollars a year. ON PEOPLE EARNING 50 MILLION A YEAR. You could earn 100 million dollars and be what, 2-3 million a year worse off, are you going to notice that? Is that going to stop economic investment over 50 million dollars? Are you going to choose to make 45 million dollars less a year because of it? Of course not.

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    I should add I've been promoted numerous times in 10 years, not that I'm still doing the same job that I'm paid 200% more for.

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    The only people who care about the very wealthy are the normally wealthy who have found themselves priced out of the things that they assumed were theirs. Hence private education becoming an issue again now that your average London Wanker has to compete against bigger [foreign] fish. Most people don't care, and would probably send their kids private if they could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    The only people who care about the very wealthy are the normally wealthy who have found themselves priced out of the things that they assumed were theirs.
    This is just fucking stupid.

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    It's also usually the same stupid cunts who perpetuate wealth divides by effectively criminalising housing development.

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    Please do not lump me in with NIMBYs. I'd destroy house prices overnight with building if I could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    The problem being that the 7% of GDP created by the financial industry that they want to fund most of their proposals with won't be there because they'll all have to leave the profitable stuff in the EU due to lack of Banking Passports. It's fucking moronic.
    The reason these people are back is because there is a new idiotic generation (every generation is idiotic, but this is a new one) which doesn't have any memory of redistributive socialism failing worldwide in the 20th century - just as the monetarists in the 1970s were the first who didn't remember market capitalism failing in the 1930s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    The reason these people are back is because there is a new idiotic generation (every generation is idiotic, but this is a new one) which doesn't have any memory of redistributive socialism failing worldwide in the 20th century - just as the monetarists in the 1970s were the first who didn't remember market capitalism failing in the 1930s.
    The reason these people are back is because as always, capitalism gets hijacked by a tiny minority so the masses have no option but to seek alternatives.

    Capitalism is fine but the ones with most of the capital have had their thumb on the scale for long enough that people start to notice. They see you bail out the banks for hundreds of billions with no debate and they see you quibble over a tiny fraction of that for stuff that would benefit them.

    People at Davos have been telling the uber rich for years to start paying their share and stop quibbling over effectively pennies or society will either collapse or destroy them. They chose not to and literally everything you see in global politics is the result.

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    Not really the thread for this but Greta Thunberg's speech today made her out to be a manic theatrical headcase.

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    Jez's third way for brexit wins support at conference.

    Dry your eyes Keir/Emily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    The only people who care about the very wealthy are the normally wealthy who have found themselves priced out of the things that they assumed were theirs.

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    Another masterstroke from Dom. Back to writing blogs for him.

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    I mean I'm sure they have several alternative plans for achieving oblivion but still.

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    Hahahahahahahaha.

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    Unanimous decision absolutely screws Boris.

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    Cummings. What a don.

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    What's the opposite of crocodile tears? Eeyore smile?

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    That man is the worst human being alive.

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    Lol

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    "Technology lessons"

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    Technology lessons.

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    Boris' speech at the UN is fucking mental.

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    What’s he saying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    What’s he saying?
    That technology will inevitably lead us to mattresses that track our nightmares and fridges that have their own desires, namely cheese. He also said 'it's a trope as old as literature that any technological advancement will be punished by the Gods'.

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    Boris doesn't give a shit about technology. The only reason it's being brought up is to push for smart lamposts as an excuse for the expansion of the surveillance state.

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    Have you listened to the speech? If that's the endgame whoever wrote it wasn't informed.

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    The geezer is a laughing stock. He's the rich mans Joey Essex.

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    When is he walking then?

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    I'm becoming more of a fan by the day. If he NO DEALs us out and wins an election I'll go and chin Rory Stewart on his behalf.

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    Rory for life.

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    Fair play to him, 'the best way we can honour Jo Cox is by delivering Brexit' is up there with some of his early classics.

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    Do have to love these folk crying about a 'surrender bill' being inflammatory. The same folk who've been speaking about coups and fascists.

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    People have a dig at Trump for daft quotes but there's always a slight sense with him that he's taking the piss. Boris is out of his tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Shearer The 2nd View Post
    Do have to love these folk crying about a 'surrender bill' being inflammatory. The same folk who've been speaking about coups and fascists.
    And roundly calling Boris a liar at every opportunity.

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    Which he is.

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    They all are. It's quite hysterical really. You can only guess that 'Surrender Bill' is killing it with the focus groups and they're bricking it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    Which he is.
    I don't doubt it, but it's hardly constructive calming language.

    To piss and moan about parliament being prorogued and then accomplish nothing in two days when it isn't is some going as well.

    Honestly, I've been watching loads of it and they are all a complete shower of shit.

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    If Cummings still dons them all from here they need to be thrown into the sea.

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    I'm not claiming any 'MSM Media' conspiracies but is it not a bit odd that the Prime Minister is involved in a sex scandal that involves him giving public money to his piece on the side and it's barely a blip?

    I thought the Tabloids live for this shit no matter the party allegiance.

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    You're in Switzerland, geezer. It's been everywhere.

    It won't get anywhere because for the time being at least, we've gone over to the Putin strongman style of political leader whereby you're allowed to do whatever you like and 10,000 braying, loyal Twitter outriders (and a couple of national papers) will have your back. Must also be added that all 'MSM' journalists do is look at twitter all day, so the outriders are absolutely vital.

    Was also true in Blair's day until he made friends with Bush and his coffee house outriders turned against him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    You're in Switzerland, geezer. It's been everywhere.
    Has it been on the papers? I haven't seen it on the telly and the TV news narrative seems to get drawn by the tabs so assumed it wasn't being pushed.

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    It's been in the papers you would expect it to be in. Front of the Mirror today. The others seem more interested in his thigh-groping, leading me to believe that Dr Strangelove probably planted it there to distract from the actual corruption.

    Boris has been a cunt all his life and here he is, Prime Minister. Nothing but election defeat can stop him.

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