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Thread: The Jude Bellingham Summer 2023 Transfer Thread

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    According to Sami Mokbel, Lavia is set to join Chelsea too. That would be utterly hilarious. F F P

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    If I was Chelsea I would have bought more good players with all that money.

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    Since the White transfer Brighton must be something like £300m up in the transfer market, with many thanks to M. Boehly for that.

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    The Potter and Cucurella hits absolutely worth it for Caicedo. Generational player as the kids say.

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    Also, sounds like Chelsea have got round the new ‘amortisation’ rules set by UEFA to 5 years. They’ll be able to spread the money over the 8 years as they’re not playing in Europe this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waffdon View Post
    Also, sounds like Chelsea have got round the new ‘amortisation’ rules set by UEFA to 5 years. They’ll be able to spread the money over the 8 years as they’re not playing in Europe this season.
    What about next season? Or are they just planning on not playing in Europe anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Emia View Post
    What about next season? Or are they just planning on not playing in Europe anymore?
    I think the accountancy worries will be more on the "what do we do with all these players on long contracts if they're not all great?" front than FFP which, as is clear, is entirely meaningless if you have [apparently] unlimited money. That said, this looks like a gamble aimed at some sort of significant change in the future structure of the game, and even if that doesn't happen, when do the new Champions League qualification rules kick in? I read somewhere the Premier League could get an extra place for the league this year [if they are the top performing league in Europe this season], and you'd have to think there's a decent chance Liverpool will be there or thereabouts in the UEFA Cup so could that be 6 places for the Premier League next season potentially?

    These techniques are clearly lifted straight from baseball so it'll be interesting to see if their application is as successful as 'Moneyball' was [if it was/is], or if they end up like those teams forever doomed because they're still paying some chump's contract off from 20 years ago.

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    It would be better if he were to 'choose' Chelsea at this point to try to escape this mad price inflation loop they both seem to have committed to.

    Both are going to end up paying significantly more than they were apparently prepared to pay for their TOP TARGETS a week ago.

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    Didn't they want £50m?

    Either they've added some instalments or Southampton got pissed off.

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    Chelsea have just responded in kind after Liverpool drove the price of Caicedo through the roof.

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    Wouldn’t mind if he went to liverpool. Chelsea already have young players in that position with incredible potential. He will be v good in the future but if Liverpool are signing him to play the lone sitting midfielder then they’ll have some major glaring issues still.

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    Bajcetic > Lavia.

    Actually, no idea. Don't recall ever seeing Lavia play. Surely there is some shit kicker in Germany or Netherlands we can pick up for $25m... Ibrahim Sangare, for example.

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    Ibrahim Sangare has a £32m release clause apparently. Get him in before Bayern grab him.
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    Neymar is off to Al Hilal.

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    Sangare can't pass.

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    We have enough players that can pass. We need a player that can snap people.

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    Not getting that with Lavia

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    Exactly why I've never been overly keen on this. But I'm sure Klopp knows better than I.

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    Is Paul Ince available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    Sangare can't pass.
    Mac and Sboz do the passing.
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    2 of the above are classed as hideously overpriced by the majority of gammons who also have been sporting short back and sides since the age of 8. PM me who you think they are, competition entries close at 6pm tonight.

    Clue: it's also the 2 that can receive on the half-turn and generally not shit themselves at the idea of having the ball.
    Last edited by Don; 14-08-2023 at 09:59 AM.

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    The wallpaper is back

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    2 of the above are classed as hideously overpriced by the majority of gammons who also have been sporting short back and sides since the age of 8. PM me who you think they are, competition entries close at 6pm tonight.

    Clue: it's also the 2 that can receive on the half-turn and generally not shit themselves at the idea of having the ball.
    Everyone thought Mount and Rice were overpriced. Stop having arguments with yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -james- View Post
    Neymar is off to Al Hilal.
    He should act as a cautionary tale to whatever Mbappe is trying to achieve.

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    These reports of Lavia preferring Chelsea are giving me a hard-on. C. Doucoure pls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    I think the accountancy worries will be more on the "what do we do with all these players on long contracts if they're not all great?" front than FFP which, as is clear, is entirely meaningless if you have [apparently] unlimited money. That said, this looks like a gamble aimed at some sort of significant change in the future structure of the game, and even if that doesn't happen, when do the new Champions League qualification rules kick in? I read somewhere the Premier League could get an extra place for the league this year [if they are the top performing league in Europe this season], and you'd have to think there's a decent chance Liverpool will be there or thereabouts in the UEFA Cup so could that be 6 places for the Premier League next season potentially?

    These techniques are clearly lifted straight from baseball so it'll be interesting to see if their application is as successful as 'Moneyball' was [if it was/is], or if they end up like those teams forever doomed because they're still paying some chump's contract off from 20 years ago.
    Teams have already tried Moneyball in football and it doesnt work, mainly because Moneyball was basically 'this guy's stats are good but he bats weird so people don't want him'. Stats aren't straight forward in football (see: passing) like they are in baseball.

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    In football I guess moneyball more translates to the use of/reliance on analytics in assessing players. It's obviously more complicated but it definitely exists.

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    I've always thought that must be the case. Baseball is kind of an individual sport. You either hit the ball and run well or you don't. With Football, you can be a shit hot passer, but if you have a Donkey up top you're not going to get many assists. Similarly, you could play me behind Haaland and I'd probably get a few assists a season.

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    You wouldn't.

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    Your knees would explode in seconds.

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    Brighton and Brentford's relentless success is largely founded on their recognition and early adoption of the power of analytics. The others are playing catchup and making it more and more difficult for them to retain their edge but rest assured, it works in football, it's just about the quality of statistics you use.

    There's still enough gammons in the sport to employ David Moyes and sign James Ward-Prowse as there's still enough luddite fans who are too thick to understand xG, which should give enough time for Bloom to complete his FM game and bring a CL to Brighton.

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    Liverpool enquiring about Tchouameni and Valverde. Hopefully it’s the latter they get as the former would be incredible.

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    Fuck arfff

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    Liverpool have been enquiring about those two all summer (and for years) if you believe Marca.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don View Post
    Brighton and Brentford's relentless success is largely founded on their recognition and early adoption of the power of analytics. The others are playing catchup and making it more and more difficult for them to retain their edge but rest assured, it works in football, it's just about the quality of statistics you use.

    There's still enough gammons in the sport to employ David Moyes and sign James Ward-Prowse as there's still enough luddite fans who are too thick to understand xG, which should give enough time for Bloom to complete his FM game and bring a CL to Brighton.
    Arsenal had that sports DNA thing completely devoted to wanking over the same data and somehow came up with Kolasinac and Lucas Perez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waffdon View Post
    Liverpool enquiring about Tchouameni and Valverde. Hopefully it’s the latter they get as the former would be incredible.
    Sadly I imagine it was simply
    ‘Want to play for Liverpool’
    ‘No thanks’

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waffdon View Post
    Liverpool enquiring about Tchouameni and Valverde. Hopefully it’s the latter they get as the former would be incredible.
    After yesterday I expect they enquire for everyone that plays the position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    Liverpool have been enquiring about those two all summer (and for years) if you believe Marca.
    If they didn’t show face by getting lolled at by Caicedo, they’d have got either of them for cheaper. Madrid need the cash, especially if Mbappe is signing a contract with a release clause

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    It's easy to forget the level of shit Brighton have had to wade through to hit a few nuggets. Developing a style of play is probably more important in the catch and release transfer model.

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    Onana would be an excellent signing for Man Utd - no idea why Liverpool aren’t after him either. Exactly who and what they need

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    The Everton midfielder? Absolutely.
    I'm a twit

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    Chelsea spending north of £800m in three windows is properly mental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waffdon View Post
    Liverpool enquiring about Tchouameni and Valverde. Hopefully it’s the latter they get as the former would be incredible.

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    Why do Madrid 'need the cash'? They broke even the past couple of years thanks to United, and if they can't spend £150 million a year without selling then nobody can. Maybe they have something lined up for Mbappe this summer, but they can level it up over the coming seasons.

    As for Brentford and Brighton, weren't Southampton doing this years ago? It only takes a couple of off years - like failing to adequately replace the really good midfielders they have lost this summer - and the whole model falls apart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    Why do Madrid 'need the cash'? They broke even the past couple of years thanks to United, and if they can't spend £150 million a year without selling then nobody can. Maybe they have something lined up for Mbappe this summer, but they can level it up over the coming seasons.

    As for Brentford and Brighton, weren't Southampton doing this years ago? It only takes a couple of off years - like failing to adequately replace the really good midfielders they have lost this summer - and the whole model falls apart.
    Any side that isn't in the top 7 or 8 clubs is vulnerable, it's just the nature of the game having a handful of mega-rich clubs that can get anyone they want from the riff-raff en masse.

    I'm not sure any other viable model of running a club really exists, and Brighton are way better at it than Southampton ever were (felt like about 1 in 10 of their transfers post 2017 really worked out).

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    The flip side is those clubs that have had success with it can do it because it's not the end of the world if the player takes a while to come good or is simply average, and will pay less money than a top team for the signing.

    If a 'top' team (reputation rather than results) buys one of them the pressure is on for them to hit the ground running or they have to be dropped because they can't affoed to carry a development project in their starting XI, when minutes is exactly what they need.

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    Chelsea sending in Agent Cucurella to the Toon to disrupt.

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    Liverpool knocking around doors asking for midfielders seems to be from the club now believing Lavia will sign for Chelsea.

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