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    I’ve heard people speculating Miz to cash in at SS and someone to walk out with both titles... which would make absolutely no sense as the contract is for one title shot not 2. It’s primary function now seems to be to see which fans can create the dumbest theory for it, such as all the people claiming Carmella was going to cash in on RAW despite Shane specifically saying it was SD only... all the “Otis will cash in for the tag titles” and everything else. Yea, just be done with it. I still think they haven’t topped Edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Browning View Post
    I still think they haven’t topped Edge.


    Seth's cash in was easily the best.

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    Seth’s cash in looks better because they booked a shite main even between 2 guys no one wanted. I don’t think it was as good as people make it out to be.

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    You just think Edge's was better because you were younger and less miserable.

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    That probably plays into it, plus Edge was my favourite wrestler and I hated Cena. So I’m definitely not unbiased, but I’m also not going to act like them booking a really, really shit main event to wrestlemania and calling an audible is the best thing ever. It was good, but Edge taking the belt off that cunt and making a gimmick out of it that lasted the rest of his (proper) career won’t be topped for me.

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    Edge's is a great one too and while I still think Rollins I don't really disagree with any of your points. I was also not an active viewer during the Edge one so while I've seen it and the shows leading up to it I didn't have any special investment in him or the defeat of Cena 'cause it was all past tense.

    Also as much as nobody wanted it before hand and the feud was shit and the first 50% of Bork / Lesnar at 31 seemed like we were just getting the Cena squash again the latter half of it is vastly underrated even before the cash in.

    It's nice to watch the Ziggler one every so often too if only because the pop he gets is ludicrous and about 20 times louder than anything he's got since I got back into it.

    Going back to the Boatman one I think they could have done him a lot of good at that time when he was still relatively hot with the crowd if they'd had him declare months in advance that he was cashing in at a Big Four PPV in the main event and he didn't give a fuck who the champion is and then have him continue to smash shit up and just sort of looming over the title picture. And then whatever you fucking do don't have him lose his shot to a no-contest in the Cell.

    I'm also trying to think if there's any other way you COULD have MITB be interesting again and I'm really struggling to think of much so yeah, I think I'd stick with just binning it for now, though it'll never happen. I'd much rather they rehabilitated KOTR, used it for people who've never won a WWE / Universal title, gave them a title shot at a given PPV and obviously don't give them the fucking "King" gimmick.

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    The one that me and a mate have always said would be an ok twist on it (not great though) is to have someone win it and then get Kayfabe hurt and just fuck them off TV for most of the year and hope people forget about them. It probably would have worked once, but the internet would have people constantly going on about it every 5 minutes, so probably wouldn't work now.

    RVD's cash in gave us a great match in fairness (if not for the in ring quality, then for the atmosphere). It used to have some good uses, but now it's really just a Heel prop to get the belt onto a heel without damaging the face too much. That's why with Miz, it could work, he's exactly the kind of heel that could use it effectively and piss people off in the process, but having him lose it to fucking Drew would be ridiculous. When he gets the belt back, it shouldn't be via a cash in.

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    Yeah if they managed to keep it under wraps that idea could work but as you say the internet would prevent that from ever happening.

    Maybe they'd need to add some other wrinkle or stipulation to what it gives you but I can't think of what that would be without it being shit.

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    I’ve been on a mega mission to catch up with AEW and jeez louise the tag team(!) match between Omega/Page and the Young Bucks at Revolution is a fucking 8 star Dave Meltzer jizzer.
    I'm a twit

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    90's coke feind Shaun Michaels


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    Seth's cash in was only incredible because MANIA!!

    Dolph Ziggler however made me turn into a 10 year old.

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    Watched most of Halloween Havoc last night and while it's annoying to say it McAfee is a genuinely very good heel promo, or has been in this storyline with Cole anyway. I really liked Ripley / Gonzalez as well, you don't often get the equivalent of a hoss fight with the women but it was good and they both made it look like they were taking serious hits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pleb View Post
    Seth's cash in was only incredible because MANIA!!

    Dolph Ziggler however made me turn into a 10 year old.
    Yep. Once you remove MANIA it’s a poor man’s version of when Edge got his Mrs to add him to HHH vs Kozlov.

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    Coming back to wrestling and finding out there are people who like Edge has been very weird.

    To me he was a shitty Gangrel stand-in and then had sex with Lita for a bit. Just permanent cringe.

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    I don't understand it being at Wrestlemania being used as a mark against it. Wrestling is entirely smoke and mirrors and big name shows are part of that. It's also not the only reason Seth's was good.

    Looking at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_...ash-in_matches

    Are the good cash-ins actually a proper minority?

    Edge for being the original, RVD for the reasons you've already covered, Ziggler for the pop, Rollins... is that it? I'm disinclined to count Orton's because while it works as part of the broader Daniel Bryan story, y'know, meh. There's a lot of stuff in there that's either shite, not really cared about or just a re-run of the original but without anything to elevate it.

    And they haven't tried anything remotely different for the women, discounting Asuka because I'm talking specifically about cash-ins.

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    I like Edge fine but after the initial pop at the Rumble I've not cared much about his return. The two matches have been bollocks. If they insist on continuing with this they need to use him with people who can actually do a bit.

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    They want him against Randy again for Mania.

    It's why they gave him the title.

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    My hope is that Edge costs him the title before then because fucking hell, Edge and Orton for a world title in 2020.

    Five more months of Orton sleepwalking his way through title matches.

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    I agree that Edge's return has been bollocks. I didn't even bother with THE GREATEST MATCH EVER after how shite the Last Man Standing match was. You had days to edit that... you could have cut at least 80% of the parts where they were just on the floor grunting.

    And I agree, Mania shouldn't be used against the cash in, but it definitely has elevated it. If you did that at Great Balls of Fire no one would be talking about it now.

    The only other cash in that could be considered good for the moment itself is Kane because he was the first to cash it the same night he won it. When they did the same thing with Ambrose just to have all 3 hold the belt on the same night it was bollocks.

    Bryan's lead to some great heel work from him before he was properly over, but the moment itself was forgettable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    My hope is that Edge costs him the title before then because fucking hell, Edge and Orton for a world title in 2020.

    Five more months of Orton sleepwalking his way through title matches.
    I've also read that they want Orton to keep feuding with Drew for now but they decided to add The Fiend into it because they want him to take pins to protect Drew.

    Imagine if they've already made "THE FIEND" a jobber

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    He is a heel, that is what they're for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco View Post
    He is a heel, that is what they're for.
    Apparently not..

    https://cultaholic.com/posts/report-...ces-on-wwe-raw

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    Any chance of The Fiend being any good was ruined in that Hell in a Cell match. Bray's still a talented guy, creatively certainly, but I'm long past the point of being able to invest in a Fiend match and if he's just a makeweight in this everlasting gobstopper of a feud between Keith and McIntyre then fucking hell.

    The very notion of the Fiend being a face while being presented the same way is madness as well. I quite liked Blampied's recent Fiend booking video.

    Quote Originally Posted by Browning View Post
    The only other cash in that could be considered good for the moment itself is Kane because he was the first to cash it the same night he won it. When they did the same thing with Ambrose just to have all 3 hold the belt on the same night it was bollocks.
    That's a fair point, we'll allow that one then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Browning View Post
    If I have to qualify every post to take account of their idiot booking we'll be here all day.

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    It's lockdown, we've got time.

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    Finished Halloween Havoc. That is my favourite LaRae match by a very long way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco View Post
    That was as good as anything I've seen all year, Walter is a brilliantly untidy giant bastard and Dragunov the perfect opponent for him.
    Just watched this and yeah, it was superb. They must have been fucking sore after it.

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    Another belter from this channel.


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    I had totally forgotten that Strong had turned on Dunne to join EU. So his being on McAfee's gang makes total sense.

    Pretty good episode of NXT, pretty much all the matches were good. It's always fun to see somebody like Moon come back from doing nothing on the main roster and, even after injury, immediately looking better than she was ever allowed to on Raw / SD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queenslander View Post
    Another belter from this channel.

    Watched that entire thing over the last couple of days, brilliant video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SvN View Post
    Watched that entire thing over the last couple of days, brilliant video.
    The channel is brilliant I highly recommend.

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    Anyone watch Full Gear?

    The news reads like it was the best USA show this year.
    Last edited by Queenslander; 08-11-2020 at 06:34 AM.

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    I will be watching it today, watched Power Struggle yesterday.

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    The Hogan beer tap on Quizzlemania today



    The face makes it.

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    Yeah that was particularly hideous. I enjoyed the Jamble rounds.

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    Alright, I didn't see Ruff taking the North American championship coming...

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    Zelina tweeted this:



    And 10 minutes later this came out...


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    Nice, she's really good. Isn't she Tommy Ends other half, hopefully he feels the same way.

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    She is and hopefully not.

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    Heel Will Ospraey is kinda lame.

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    Tommy End to NJPW please!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queenslander View Post
    Heel Will Ospraey is kinda lame.
    Yeah he's not quite there yet, partially because I can't get past the knowledge that underneath it all he's still a cheesy Essex twat. Good dickhead suit though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco View Post
    Yeah he's not quite there yet, partially because I can't get past the knowledge that underneath it all he's still a cheesy Essex twat. Good dickhead suit though.
    It feels like he needs to say less.

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    Talk N Shop-amania 2: Rise of the Cock Torturer.

    As bad and ridiculous as the first one, awful crap from start to finish. I loved it.

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    So that was just a stat-padding reign for Orton, then. Great.

    Not that I'm unhappy to see McIntyre have the belt back. And McIntyre / Reigns could be fun if they just smack the shit out of each other like they didn't in their Mania match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Andy Mahowry View Post
    I read rumours that there wouldn't be a WARGAMES this year, primarily due to no Takeover on Survivor Series week.

    However, they could still do it on their final Takeover of the year (December 6th) and I think it's even more likely seeing as we have a new 4-man faction starting a rivalry with a long established 4-man faction.

    UE v McAfee and his British mates could well happen.


    Haven't watched NXT this week (or last) but great news tbh. Also like the sound of Team Shotzi v Candice.

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    Jr on absolute fire this week including when he asked if the aew women’s fan club do bake sales.

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    Are you ing yourself for spotting the heavily signposted thing? :P

    Also WarGames is bollocks.

    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    Jr on absolute fire this week including when he asked if the aew women’s fan club do bake sales.
    GOOD OL' JR.

    He's absolute shite these days. The bits I watch of AEW he offers nothing.
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    Don Callis rocking up on the ppv really showed up the rest of that announce table.

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