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    That's a long back straight, but I've had my fill of street circuits now.

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    It's too long a lap for a street circuit. Similar reason I don't like Singapore.

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    Pessimism should always be had with those across the pond when it comes to them making a good racing track.

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    Yeah, that's a long back straight. Looks a pretty dull layout. They should have done it in the style of the old Hockenheim and just had a massive run out into the desert or tried to recreate one of the Gran Turismo special stage tracks for nightime glitziness.

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    Motor racing in Las Vegas has been going downhill ever since the stuff described in Fear and Loathing.

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    Looks a lot better than hairpins in the Caesar's Palace car park. Still, looks like the kind of street circuit you'd get at the arse end of a Forza/Gran Turismo knockoff.

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    Timezones mean it will be early Sunday morning for us, 3/4am I think. No promoter either, F1 doing all the legwork themselves.

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    It's worth the risk to crack the American market.

    Won't stop me complaining about the time and circuit though.

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    The layout will be shit because they'll want it to go past all the various burger shops, or whatever they're trying to replace the casinos with. Which raises an interesting wrinkle with going to landmark cities rather than decent racing facilities, once you put the required barriers, fences, and Aramco stickers up it looks the same as anywhere else (and is still a shit street circuit). Watch a formula e race (don't) and see if you can identify the city. Having it on Thanksgiving is an interesting one, Americans will have to tell us if sitting down to a GP at 10pm clashes with the usual festivities.

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    Ngl, quite excited for Australia. One of only a few perennials left since I started watching F1 in the mid-to-late-90s. Always seems to produce better racing than it has any right to.

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    Hungary is the great survivor. Bernie put it there in 1986 to try and crack 'behind the iron curtain', a market that has remained utterly untouched ever since, and yet the Hungaroring somehow still stands.

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    It's another track that has, in recent years, provided some remarkably good racing for a track where overtaking is so difficult. Hill in the Arrows, Button for BAR, Hamilton turning round that dog of a McLaren, the amazing Hamilton one-car start last year, etc. It delivers more often than some more exciting tracks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clunge View Post
    It's another track that has, in recent years, provided some remarkably good racing for a track where overtaking is so difficult. Hill in the Arrows, Button for BAR, Hamilton turning round that dog of a McLaren, the amazing Hamilton one-car start last year, etc. It delivers more often than some more exciting tracks.
    Indeed. Given the track, especially the narrowness and particularly in sector 3, it's amazing how racy it gets sometimes.

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    It's because it (like Imola) is an actual racing circuit that requires various driving skills and has pitfalls, and not the modern idea of a track which is three drag strips and getting a good exit from hairpins.

    Also usually run in very hot conditions, which helps.

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    I don't know whether to facepalm this or not. I think the zones might be short enough that we won't see the idiocy of Bahrain and, especially, Saudi Arabia; it could just bunch them up through the fast sections, leading to more authentic overtakes in the corners than we would see without DRS. At least the detection lines aren't back-to-back so we shouldn't see the cat and mouse crap.

    If it turns out cars can just blast past half way through the zone then I'm going to say I told you so and seethe after the fact.

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    They won't work, the zones are too short. It's just desperation to get loads of overtaking at a circuit that doesn't really lend itself to it.

    Overtaking is overrated. It's the possibility of an overtake that makes for good racing.

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    Nah, I think that overtaking is great. The thing is, it has to be hard. Overtaking because your car is 30 mph faster on a straight is as dull as no overtaking at all.

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    I think that's what I was trying to say. It's quality of overtaking, not quantity.

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    I’m watching this 2018 Australian race repeat and I have no recollection at all of Brendon Hartley.

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    Good sportscar driver but I don't think he did anything worth remembering in F1.

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    The only thing I remember is his hair.

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    My main memory of Hartley was Stroll squeezing him into the wall (what a surprise, bot Lance causing a collision?!) at Montreal and causing a pretty big first-lap crash.

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    Can you really be said to be an F1 driver if Lance Stroll hasn't turned in on you?

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    Strategy presumably all boils down to when people think Latifi will bin it tomorrow.

    Also lol at Stroll wiping him out.

    Final runs in the dark at this rate.

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    It's a shame the Aston's bobbins. Looks like Haas have had a wobble. I'd love Schumacher to get points on the board but it's probably not happening from 15th. Ocon vs Alonso, round three. They're fucking magnetised.

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    Forgot all about this being on so early.

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    The only reason I can ever think of for this Ted show and his rambling is that he has compromising photos of someone high up in Sky.

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    That Canadian crash is one of the dumbest I've seen. Check your fucking mirrors, Lance.

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    What’s Latifi playing at racing in qualifying though?

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    He's not racing. He's let Lance past because he's the slower traffic. Lance doesn't immediately pull away so Latifi is all, "Well, I guess he's not on one." and then tried to take position back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    The only reason I can ever think of for this Ted show and his rambling is that he has compromising photos of someone high up in Sky.
    It actually does decent numbers apparently.

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    The state of the Porpoising on that through sector 2.

    It does suggest two things though. Firstly, George says the Mercedes will be much quicker once they can stop that, so are Mercedes doing something to try to offset it and slowing the car down by doing so?
    If not, then that suggests that even though the Ferrari is the fastest car on the grid, it could then surely go a lot faster?

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    The prevailing opinion is that stopping porpoising (via aero "tricks" that Alpine revealed) on the straights may actually hinder you (I'm guessing because it creates more downforce so more drag), so Ferrari and Mercedes are basically telling their drivers to suck it up in that regard.

    Mercedes problem is that the porpoising persists in high speed corners which just ruins the car's and driver's performance. They were genuinely quick in sector 1 then lost it all in the new fast section.

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    Sainz so lucky not to collect someone there. Those hards look horrible to be on.

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    Red Bull powertrains

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    Not a bad race there given the wide cards and narrow track.
    Even at this early stage, I think LeClerc will be very hard to catch. Red Bulls engines keep going pop and Mercedes are a good 7 tenths a lap off still.

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    Putting the pop into Fizzy Pop Powertrains.

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    The polish is starting to run off Tim Lewis. "Go team" but he's seething he has another Rosberg on his hands now.

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    I was mostly watching it on fast forward whilst a small child screamed at me to PUT PEPPA PIG ON but wasn't the Hamilton/Russell switch around due to the latter being able to pit under the safety car?

    Not sure the seethe level is the same if you don't have a championship winning car anyway, which they don't seem to at the moment.

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    I don't think Mercedes could have got a single point more from these races. lol Verstappen.

    Aston 10th in the constructors, sad times.

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    Haas vs Alpha vs Alfa.

    Russell being 2nd in the standings is a bit mad.
    Last edited by Shindig; 10-04-2022 at 09:34 AM.

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    It's utterly bizarre that the surprisingly reliable Honda unit has had nothing but a Red Bull rebadge this year and now it's finding new and interesting ways to blow up every weekend. A lot of the Honda guys have even been seconded to Red Bull for a few years.

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    It's not surprising when you consider the new regulations must've impacted how the power unit is packaged. Fluid leaks, overheats and stuff can all be down to how it's crammed in there.

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    Great drive from Albon today. 57 laps on the hards

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    I know Latifi is a meme for all the safety cars and whatnot, but holy shit Stroll is just a danger for everyone else on the grid it feels like.

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    Has anyone ever compiled a montage of him turning in on people, probably quicker just to rewatch the last 5 seasons.

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    He's getting worse as well. Look out for a withdrawal from Daddy Stroll when writing finally meets wall.

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    If it weren't for all the (presumably) nice people who work there watching them implode this season would be beautiful schadenfreude.

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    Can't he just sack his son?

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