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    Can confirm. You're allowed opinions again. Use this privilege carefully this time.

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    Are you sure? He didn't say "PHWOAR" or anything.

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    He's Oxbridge Educated, Ian. He doesn't phwoar over anything legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    Kristen Bell > Jameela Jamil
    Come the fuck on.

    Did you see this, btw? Your pal Kristen has a new comedy thing coming out. Not sure if it's any good but the initial premise is amusing

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    I can confirm that Spikey is correct about Boydy being correct.

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    I've just finished season three of Succession and I'm already gutted I won't have it to watch next week. It's so much better than everything else currently on television.

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    I watched Tiger King:The Doc Antle Story last night.

    I was a bit surprised that he wasn't included in season 2 as he always seemed to be the shadiest character to me but they gave him a whole mini-series.

    He is a seriously grim guy but the documentary was a bit shit. It's a lot more serious than the Tiger King stories and I don't think it's what the documentary makers doing this are good at.

    No real ending to it either too so you don't see him get what he deserves.

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    Is there anything properly funny about at the moment? Or even anything old that I might not have seen.

    Jimmy you can fuck off even thinking about suggesting Inside No. 9, it's terrible.

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    I wouldn't put that forward as 'properly funny', the best 30% or so of the episodes are very good but it's barely even a comedy.

    I haven't yet topped Toast of London for laughs per minute.

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    Gogglebox is the best funny TV around imo.

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    I'm prepared to accept that Gogglebox is fun but I can't bring myself to watch it.

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    They should replace participants once they become self-aware 'characters'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    They should replace participants once they become self-aware 'characters'.
    Yeah I've felt that about you for some time now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    Is there anything properly funny about at the moment? Or even anything old that I might not have seen.

    Jimmy you can fuck off even thinking about suggesting Inside No. 9, it's terrible.
    I've enjoyed What We Do in the Shadows recently. Also heard good things about The Great, but haven't gotten around to watching it yet.

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    I'm four episodes into series 2 of the Witcher. Spikey you'd hate it / love it just as much as last series.

    I think it's better so far for having sacked off the unnecessary timeline nonsense. Both that it doesn't have multiple points in time and, if it did, isn't trying to hide it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    I'm four episodes into series 2 of the Witcher. Spikey you'd hate it / love it just as much as last series.

    I think it's better so far for having sacked off the unnecessary timeline nonsense. Both that it doesn't have multiple points in time and, if it did, isn't trying to hide it.
    I thought the first 2 or so episodes were a bit rough, but around 4-5 it starts picking up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    They should replace participants once they become self-aware 'characters'.
    Great point. I watched it for a while but then it became less about random people commenting and pseudo celebrity commenting. I bet some of them use Rashford's PR agency so they say the right thing.

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    Yep, once they start appearing on third rate chat shows bin them.

    There’s a B lister version for that very thing anyway.

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    Gogglebox used to be alright, but as with all these things as soon as they start to lean too heavily into a characters gimmicks it's done.

    I think the bloke like totes accidentally eating the face pack was the peak. It's Simpsons season 8. All downhill from there.

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    The old Liverpudlian dying was the end

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    I'm four episodes into series 2 of the Witcher. Spikey you'd hate it / love it just as much as last series.

    I think it's better so far for having sacked off the unnecessary timeline nonsense. Both that it doesn't have multiple points in time and, if it did, isn't trying to hide it.
    I'm finding Ciri to be a lot less annoying too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Gogglebox used to be alright, but as with all these things as soon as they start to lean too heavily into a characters gimmicks it's done.

    I think the bloke like totes accidentally eating the face pack was the peak. It's Simpsons season 8. All downhill from there.
    To be fair to them, as shit and set up as those bits are I think they are told to do stuff by the producers. Who wouldn't do that to keep riding that gravy train?

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    Give me TV Burp over Gogglebox.

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    Absolutely. "Isn't it blank when your blank blanks like blank?" <cue funny clip>

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    I’ve actually liked the new Grand Tour. @Jimmy Floyd watch it.

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    The Kapernick thing on Netflix promised so much to in 2 minutes and ended up some teen drama after.

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    Foundation season 1 was crap. It shares the name and some characters with the novel, but other than that it’s just a totally different story, and not a particularly engaging one. The main thing that happens on Terminus at the end of the season didn’t even seem like a particularly big event, like it should have been.

    @Alex what did you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hfswjyr View Post
    I've enjoyed What We Do in the Shadows recently. Also heard good things about The Great, but haven't gotten around to watching it yet.
    I got halfway through season 1 then forgot about this so I've gone back. It is good.

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    I liked the second series of the Morning Show after. I must have missed something great in the first series if this one is ranked so much below that, because I’d have them on a par.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernanke View Post
    I thought the first 2 or so episodes were a bit rough, but around 4-5 it starts picking up.
    I really liked episode one and that the layers of that story kept getting peeled back to change up what Geralt thought of it.

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    I thought it was great throughout to be honest, although it feels like they overplayed (for lack of a better word) some elements in the last episode and it had a bit of a weird pacing. I think Yennefer's character arc was miles better this season, but I was a bit underwhelmed by Vesemir (and the actor).

    As for season 1, I got to rewatch it recently and, even though I hated it the first time around, I think the timeline stuff was necessary in a sense or else the pacing would be completely off. The real bad decision was that they hid it, so I am glad they got to poke some fun at themselves with the dockworker's criticism at Jaskier's song.

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    Yeah the joke about the timelines was fun. And I agree that the issue is they hid it like it was building to a big twist or something. Just watched episode 5. Felt a bit "oh shit we need to shuffle some characters around and drop exposition" like a proper GOT mid-season episode but I'm looking forward to the rest of the series which I might just power through tomorrow.

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    McTavish as Dijkstra was also perfect casting in my opinion. Maybe a bit on the older side compared to the games, but really suits the character.

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    Just finished The Witcher season 2. Thought it was a lot better than the first season.

    Cavill is absolutely perfect in the role too.

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    Oh yeah Cavill is great.

    Also, did they skimp a bit on the fight scenes this season? Other than the one in the monastery, the rest felt like they were really short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adramelch View Post
    McTavish as Dijkstra was also perfect casting in my opinion. Maybe a bit on the older side compared to the games, but really suits the character.
    Best casting so far, even if Yen's actress kills it.

    I was optimistic about Vesemir based on seeing him in Killing Eve and whatnot, but he felt a bit off. Mind you I'm only basing it on the games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    I liked the second series of the Morning Show after. I must have missed something great in the first series if this one is ranked so much below that, because I’d have them on a par.
    Yea, I agree. Thought the finale could have wrapped some things up a bit better than it did, but as long as it's coming back for another season then it was good enough.

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    I watched some things yesterday.

    The Salisbury Poisonings (on Netflix, but looked like a BBC drama) was excellent and Lie With Me (a Channel 5 Janine from Eastenders vehicle) was better than expected, sort of the reverse of Landscapers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    The Salisbury Poisonings (on Netflix, but looked like a BBC drama)
    That's because it is a BBC drama.

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    Worded that badly, meant I thought it was from the BBC and Netflix had bought it rather than they'd made an imitation.

    Did you like it?

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    Oh they are different versions? I've watched the BBC one and it was good but these crime mini-series are right up my alley so no surprise there.

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    Pretty sure they're the same.

    Likewise, love a bit of true crime drama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adramelch View Post
    Oh they are different versions? I've watched the BBC one and it was good but these crime mini-series are right up my alley so no surprise there.
    It is the BBC one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernanke View Post
    Best casting so far, even if Yen's actress kills it.

    I was optimistic about Vesemir based on seeing him in Killing Eve and whatnot, but he felt a bit off. Mind you I'm only basing it on the games.
    Speaking of casting, we haven't talked about the elephant in the room. That's Tormund that plays Nivellen right? I couldn't for the life of me think of why the actor seemed so familiar until I caught a glimpse of him when my brother was watching the first episode and it all clicked.

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    So, Witcher thoughts.

    Good stuff:
    - The main three actors all smash it and their relationships with each other all work well. - The Vesemir actor is good, I think, but - (see bad stuff.) Most of the other casting seems decent too.
    - I really liked the first episode because it felt like a quest from the game.
    - More stuff about witchering as a profession that isn't just "be reet hench and have a sweet sword" including them touching on the signs and potions and stuff.
    - Definitely an improvement on series 1 and in no small part because they don't try to get unnecessarily clever with how they tell it.
    - Effects are better too.


    Bad stuff:
    - They're trying to have the political wranglings of GOT but without the quality of characters to support it all.
    - Geralt, again, goes chunks of this series where he feels like a side character, not the title character.
    - I'd have liked there to be at least one more episode which was centred around him just being a Witcher.
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    My gripes are mostly fairly minor though. I got through it in a few days and liked it a lot.

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    I reckon it's going to be a series which will be hard to judge if you've only played the games (which I assume is the case for the majority in here, including me). If I recall correctly they are considered a sequel to the actual book series. On the other hand, most of what we've seen so far is based on the short stories that came before the main saga, so in a sense it's basically like trying to judge the first book of GOT, having just watched s7-8 of the show.

    Edit: Although I guess this comparison falls a bit flat in that the games were great while the last couple seasons of GOT were a dumpster fire.

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    Yeah I'm trying to bear in mind some of things I don't like are just because of my own expectations but there are some things which just aren't very well done. And the showrunners are already changing some stuff as I gather the book nerds are getting in a tizzy about it.

    I would possibly say that I think the people involved all care about making the best thing they can make the writing itself just isn't amazing. I think the performances lift a lot of it.

    Also, Jaskier is unnecessarily buff given he's meant to be a weedy fop. He clearly learned he had a shirtless scene and got the personal trainer in.

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    Yeah, I was mostly referring to the Vesemir part really. He could just as well be like that in the books.

    I think it's the Eskel story that created an uproar no? I didn't understand why they went with him as the focal point of that story and not one of the randomers.

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    As someone who has played about 10 minutes of the first game and knows nothing else about the setting I liked both series, they're good but nothing particularly special. The problem is that everytime they do something that isn't fighting gribbly monsters (ie any court politics/intrigue) it feels and sounds naff, like it was written by 12 year olds who hadn't been told about the rest of the scenes.

    At the other end of the spectrum is the Wheel of Time series which I've read through a couple of times so all the adaptations they've made stand out like a sore thumb and some of which seem very odd (the Dragon can be a woman? way to remove one of the biggest stigmas surrounding your main character). To the point where my enjoyment comes from spotting all the places/characters and the alterations rather than it actually being any good (it's not), most of it is understandable given the scope and pace of the books but it must be hard to follow.

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