TV is entirely Bloomberg here in FLA.
TV is entirely Bloomberg here in FLA.
This is why TV ads don't win an election. Any exposure of you outside those ads makes people realise you're awful.
I must say, from a position of relative ignorance, this whole Bloomberg campaign seems a bit odd. Isn't he a republican in everything but name anyway? In terms of taking the fight to Trump, I'm really not sure the gutter is the best place to try do that. I sense a donning of biblical proportions if 'Mike' somehow gets the democratic nomination. He seems a right arrogant so-and-so anyway so that'd probably be quite funny, and humiliating for him seeing as he has often sought to define himself by how much more of a success he is than Trump.
This stuff shouldn't still be funny, and yet...
Was HaroldBishop actually Donald Trump?
"Michael Bloomberg Confirms He Used Prison Labor To Make 2020 Campaign Calls"
https://t.co/dJNGdcEZZs?amp=1
It is all vanity. He’s of whatever party will advance his interest, much like Trump.Originally Posted by niko_cee
People really want there to be this cathartic thing where Trump gets taken down like it is a movie but that’s just Hollywood. Bloomberg was never really anything more than a new narrative in a primary.
I don’t think that anyone is particularly strong on either side in this race, but the country is both demographically sorted and highly partisan so nobody has to be. People confuse that with strong parties, but everyone from Bernie to Bloomberg to Trump to Andrew fucking Yang thinking they can gatecrash the primaries (and be relatively successful) should illustrate that the parties really are not strong. A national media presence is now more important for the primaries than being a Democrat who can win a statewide governor’s race in a conservative state like Montana. But 20 states will vote D and 20 R regardless of the candidates.
I’m likely going to register a protest vote against Bernie in the primary but I don’t really care for any of the other candidates enough to know who I’ll pick for it. I mostly just tired of our new politics of “I’m right and you’re evil.”
Is that new?
Almost certainly not, but it feels much stronger at the moment. Don’t get me wrong, but everyone seems to think we are on the verge of some civil war / end of times / economic stagnation forever .... because the other side is so .... Supply whichever civil war, other side, and source of all evil suits your political leanings.
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I think most of the stuff you read about DIVISION is largely an academic/media (wanker) NARRATIVE that you wouldn't hear about had a couple of elections not gone against them. Most people just crack on.
Not explaining myself well, I agree with Lewis entirely. People do, but our politics don’t.
I think this is generational as well. I’m in my forties so my formative politics are the 80’s and not the 90’s or 00’s. What isn’t remembered is that US politics weren’t competitive back then. Republicans could win the presidency, but Congress and the Senate were solidly Democratic up to the early 90’s and not slightly competitive. Currently, incumbents have a 3% advantage back then it was 15-18%.
That made US politics different. Republicans couldn’t count on ever passing anything, and Democrats were not even slightly worried about losing either branch of Congress. Democrats passed the Reagan tax bill, not Republicans. Why? Because Reagan had to actually offer them something - funding Medicare and Social Security for 75 years. Then leaders of both parties simply bought off members of Congress with local appropriations. Both then ran on what they got.
Now that both groups can win in November there is no more incentive to negotiate- if you give a political win you invalidate the reason why government should change hands. It is a different form of politics than used to exist.
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I have to say, this election is somehow managing to out gaslight the last one.
Just today I've seen that Joe Biden, the guy who's only pro is that him and Obama are one and the same, release a press release dinging Sanders for having said exactly the same things as Obama about Castro.
Followed by Bloomberg claiming that Bernie Sanders must personally apologize because an office of his campaign was graffitid by... leaning a wooden board against a wall and sellotaping a piece of paper to a window.
I've got to work with these people in a few months and I'm genuinely worried it's going to end up with me being fired after being overheard for calling someone influential a cunt.
Perfect time to schedule that rehab.
Werent the 80's horific for gay people and black people?
Serves them right for spreading AIDS.
Shindig, genuinely, I can take these digs off some people. Not you. Please stop trying to pretend you’re above me.
And smoking THE crack?
Homophobe.
Fuck.
Bernie's going to be president of the United States, folks. And I feel like Mert in 2016.
What a dweeb.
Surely you don't actually believe this.
Are the people who narrowly went Trump over Hillary last time really going to switch to Bernie?
Supposedly there were a group of #BernieBros who went Trump the last time in lieu of voting for The Devil Hillary but who knows just how many that was.
I think there are a good number, and not just Bernie Bros. My mom, for one
I also think the "switch sides" narrative is incredibly overrated as a deciding factor. It's about getting the turnout from your half of the population to be as high as possible on voting day, not Sean Hannity putting one in for Bernie or Spoonsky voting for the Don.
Bernie´s base has grown since 2016, he´s winning Latinos easily and is about equal to Biden with blacks.
I think the situation right now is really similar to Trump in 2016 - mainstream Democrats panicking but they can´t unite behind one candidate, so they´re inventing reasons why he´s not electable despite 1) all polls and statistics showing otherwise 2) the idea of ´electability´ taking a pretty big loss of legitimacy considering who our current president is.
We've lived this movie, I hope for your sake that the USA is different.
Honestly 2/3 of Bloomberg, Biden, Buttigeig need to drop out ASAP for a moderate alternative to consolidate the lane, but it really won't happen because they all have massive egos.
It all works out until the first debate when Trump starts his first answer (regardless of subject) with 'Folks, the reason why people call him "Crazy Bernie"...' and then lols his immigration policies into orbit.
I can't believe we're actually gonna get this this summer:
Interesting article on why it doesn´t necessarily work this way (though personally I agree with you): https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...ainst-sanders/
The media can paint him as radical, socialist, ideologically extremist, etc... but ultimately, when people actually hear the man speak, they hear him decrying corruption and economic inequality. Which isn´t exactly a radical viewpoint:
That is really quite good.
#Texas Early Voting Counts as per Texas Democrats:
2016: 170,839
2020: 271,377
Turnout Increase: 63%
#Democrats #USA
Bernie is on a hot streak criticising Americas foreign polocy.
Someday I’m going to sit down and read how all this works. Their whole system sounds mental.
One thing; why do they make such a big thing about Iowa in every vote? It’s just one of fifty, so does it have an extra big population or something?
Not having all the states vote on one day seems bizarre.
Iowa was a mess because of some bullshit app they used. Despite Bernie winning the popular vote, Pete won the most state delegates. That is the most I know @spoonksy is needed l.
Each state votes separately on who they think the nominee should be but they don't all do it at the same time. I think Iowa goes first, so the winner there gains momentum for the next vote, and so on. Most states only get two options, because the ten no hopers have dropped out after getting three votes each in the first few votes.
You also have candidates like Steyer and Bloomberg who choose to ignore the states that won't win in and pour resources in later states hoping to build late momentum.
It's a little mental. Each state has a certain number of delegates to distribute, and every state has their own rules of how to distribute them. So some states will be winner takes all, but most give them proportionately - so if Bernie has 40%, Biden 20%, Warren 20% then they'll be distributed as such. States with a bigger population have more delegates, so while Iowa gives something like 20 delegates California gives ~400. Iowa is only important because it's the first state so whoever wins it gets a lot of media coverage and MOMENTUM. They put some random smaller states first - Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada - so that people will pay attention to these states, otherwise candidates would just spend all their time in California, Texas and New York.
If at the end of the primary no candidate has an outright majority of delegates, there could be a brokered convention where they contrive to nominate someone else instead. This is quite possible to happen this year if Bernie has a plurality of votes.
Correct me if I'm wrong @mikem
Would the contrived candidate not turn into a laughing stock and get thumped?
Absolutely, not to mention the hordes of Bernie bros rioting in the streets of Milwaukee. I don't think it would happen, but I also don't put it past the democratic party.
Hillary Clinton is starting a podcast in a few months.
Fuck me what rotten lot those running the Dems are it reminds me of the Australian Labour Party.
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Does it have an emails segment?
Hopefully.
That was good stuff. What a fucking legend.
Fucking hell.
Best touring comic atm.
He's got it sewn up.
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