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  • Theresa May's Conservatives

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  • Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

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  • Tim Farron's Liberal Democrats

    3 6.82%
  • Paul Nuttall's UKIP

    0 0%
  • 2 people's Greens

    1 2.27%
  • Nicholas Durgeon's Scottish Nationalists

    1 2.27%
  • Satan's Sinn Fein

    0 0%
  • Dr Ian Paisley's DUP

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Thread: UK General Election 2017 - 8 June

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    Your interpretation is the same as the paid-up fannies who want to avoid admitting that we sensible (read: not American) British have an American-style cultural divide in our politics. The vote and the subsequent election had 'haves' and 'have nots' voting all over the place. What cut down the middle of it all was whether or not they were a ponce.

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    That's what I mean by haves and have nots. It's not really about money, more satisfaction (of any kind) with the globalising status quo. And they do vote for both parties, which is why I'm saying the old assumptions about left/right and all that bullshit from the Cold War is now completely irrelevant.

    We absolutely have an American-style cultural divide, but instead of guns, God and blow-dried hairdos, it manifests itself around the use of chorizo in everyday cuisine, and similarly meaningless but for some reason powerful norms. We were pointing all this out years ago.

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    Okay, there you go. I might e-mail Ed West and see if he can remember the column he predicted it in years ago, because searching isn't throwing much up.

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    May's honest answer should've been, "Well, I can't say no because we haven't even left yet and it'll take years do figure out whether it was better or not. Get fucked, Michael."

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    If she really thinks having a televised 'debate' with Jeremy Corbyn is the best way to sell this agreement than the demented not dishonest theory is confirmed.

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    I guess their calculation, driven by recent leader poll numbers, is that they think there will have to be an election so they'll try and make beardy weardy look like a twat (which, on this topic, he is. I mean, 'Jobs First Brexit'. Come on.)

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    I think she thought that Jeremy would run away from it knowing he has absolutely no Brexit position, forgetting that she's an absolute wollop with less personality than one of those baby dolls who's defining attribute is their ability to piss themselves.

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    After 'winning' the last election by avoiding the media, this doesn't exactly seem prudent.

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    Igor pushed this meme into my timeline. I don't get it.


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    Nope.

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    Maybe Rudd is a synonym for a lie?

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    I can't believe someone wants to indelibly lay claim to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    Maybe Rudd is a synonym for a lie?
    Must be. But red and green lie is new to me as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    I think she thought that Jeremy would run away from it knowing he has absolutely no Brexit position
    Perhaps unintentionally, that may end up being very smart. Like how he and 30 others conveniently didn't show up for a vote last week that could have defeated some of the finance stuff.
    No need to interfere or take the blame while your opponent has organised a circular firing squad for themselves.

    There is of course, no chance of a substantially different deal. Nor was there ever. The idiocy of the UKIP-Tory right is on show for all to see.
    Last edited by Henry; 26-11-2018 at 05:33 PM.

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    In fairness to the Tory right, I'm not sure they really want 'a deal' - it's the other side of the divide that thinks a better one is out there somewhere..

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    It's quite funny (if you find the burning wreckage of human civilisation funny, at least) that there are two completely distinct groups of unrealistic, wishful-thinking whingeing pricks trying to bring it down from opposite sides of the argument.

    There just isn't going to be a #peoplesvote and nor is there going to be some magical Super-Canada. We will end up in Norway territory and do fine there.

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    We ought to be sinking the French/Spanish fishing fleets in the lead up to NO DEAL like Mers-el-Kebir.

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    My general weather vane for Westminster politics is to read the twitter account of Tom Brake MP and then expect to happen whatever is furthest away from what he wants to happen, so No Deal it is unfortunately.

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    As long as we're out of the union, we can probably do what we please. Just play the long game with them.

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    There appears to be a Boris documentary coming out from clips I've seen on Twitter. I know the 'It's just like The Thick Of It' is played out as a joke but it's fucking terrifying how close to the bone they were.

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    Is that the stuff with him bumbling through some guff about the thousand year alliance between England and Portugal?

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    Yes and another clip where his PR person was telling him to not say 'Let them eat cake' to the French or something.

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    Are you talking about the Inside the Foreign Office thing that's been on the beeb?

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    Anyone who annoys the Foreign Office can't be all bad. They're a bunch of twats.

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    This Brexit debate is going to be atrocious.

    'Jeremy Corbyn, the Prime Minister says that you don't have a Brexit plan. Is that true?'
    'No, we have a plan. I'll tell you what else we have a plan for...'
    *twenty minutes on the homeless*

    I remember the useless twats around Gordon Brown wanting a 'masochism strategy' in 2010, with which they figured that if he went around letting people shout at him enough times then the Great British Public would eventually feel sorry. for him Then he called that old woman out. Anyway, what is she thinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    This Brexit debate is going to be atrocious.

    'Jeremy Corbyn, the Prime Minister says that you don't have a Brexit plan. Is that true?'
    'No, we have a plan. I'll tell you what else we have a plan for...'
    *twenty minutes on the homeless*

    I remember the useless twats around Gordon Brown wanting a 'masochism strategy' in 2010, with which they figured that if he went around letting people shout at him enough times then the Great British Public would eventually feel sorry. for him Then he called that old woman out. Anyway, what is she thinking?
    That her comms director worked for the BBC so he'll be able to negotiate a format that gives her an easy ride and makes Corbyn look shit enough to hold off a general election.

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    No such format exists.

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    I've swung my view in the last 48 hours, I now think we're somehow going to remain. You don't defeat the British bureaucracy.

    No deal vs Remain second ref would be like the first one, but on hard drugs.

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    The meltdown when whatever flavour of Leave makes it onto the ballot wins again will be

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    No deal beating Remain would be the absolute peak of political events, while Remain winning the same vote (as it would, without Dom) would also cause fucking chaos.

    Bring it on, I say.

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    May’s going for the debate as she literally has nothing left to lose.

    I came to the conclusion a while ago that I’ve no idea why she’s still bothering, but from a belligerence perspective, fair play to her. She has it in spades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    I've swung my view in the last 48 hours, I now think we're somehow going to remain. You don't defeat the British bureaucracy.

    No deal vs Remain second ref would be like the first one, but on hard drugs.
    That comparison on Twitter (from whoever it was) that compared it to asking cardinals to negotiate the Reformation was pretty perfect. If we had just Ian Smithed them on day one it would have all settled down by now.

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    Channel 4 are up to tricks by trying to hold an 'Alternative Debate' between.... Tony Blair v Boris Johnson.

    Fuck it, let's go so full Brexit the economy is so ruined Channel 4 can no longer stay in business. Back to 3 channels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    Igor pushed this meme into my timeline. I don't get it.



    I still can't get over how shit it is.

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    Second referendum ahoy. Fucking bring it on. I'm getting a run of half and half scarves made.

    I also keep getting 'It's a no deal Brexit (no deal Brexit)' stuck in my head to the tune of Walking In Memphis, so that says something about me.

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    Do do do do do,
    This is Remain-ia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Second referendum ahoy. Fucking bring it on. I'm getting a run of half and half scarves made.
    I think there is some weird ironic money to be made here but what would the colours be. If UKIP weren't so shit you could go Gold/Purple vs Union Jack so the remainers (the ones with the cash) could pretend to be patriotic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco View Post
    The meltdown when whatever flavour of Leave makes it onto the ballot wins again will be
    Winning a no deal vote.

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    lol not only at UKIP killing itself, but it barely getting any attention.

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    I don't normally advocate murder, but if someone stuck a couple of rounds in Tommy Robinson I wouldn't be sad for very long.

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    And his idiot supporters.

    The OUTRAGE over him going to prison was top quality. It is somehow demonstrable of the Islamification of Great Britain that he wasn't allowed to ruin a trial and let a load of noncey rapists walk free.

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    I like the fact that not one but two separately negotiated Brexit debates have been cancelled after break down in talks once both arrived at a failure to agree to the terms of debate. It’s a level of irony not previously measured.

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    As someone who would strongly consider voting for them if the alternative was No Deal, I really am astounded by how the Remain people on Twitter carry on (I imagine some subset of the same people would run the campaign in a second referendum). Do they realise that if they carry on preaching from the ramparts they will lose again and lose bigger?

    There needs to be a total ban on anyone who lives in Zones 1-3, or anyone who feels strongly about the EU, being part of the campaign.

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    The fbpe crowd are the fucking worst.

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    If I had to vote again, it would probably be for Remain (again), but meeting a Phonics - or one of his equivalents on the Leave side - on the way to vote, would probably be enough to change my mind out of pure spite.

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    I would vote leave again regardless of circumstances, and BOYCOTT it if the choice was between remain and the bollocks government deal. I work with two remain voters (probably three, but the other one keeps quiet about it), with one of them being a vocal 'remoaner', and I think they think I also voted remain because I join in when they moan about the government. When I come in dressed like Big Daddy on NO DEAL day it will be some reveal.

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    I wouldn't really consider phonics an fbper. It's the people who think there was nothing wrong before the brexit vote and just want to go back to how things were before the referendum. I've seen some talk about wanting to wind the clock back to the 2012 olympics when everything was great apparently, as if there hadn't been riots just a year before.

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    What's this FPB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    I wouldn't really consider phonics an fbper. It's the people who think there was nothing wrong before the brexit vote and just want to go back to how things were before the referendum. I've seen some talk about wanting to wind the clock back to the 2012 olympics when everything was great apparently, as if there hadn't been riots just a year before.
    I find it really weird how none of them get it, as if 52% of the country voting for something was some kind of terrible accident. The confused arguments as well - we shouldn't have had a referendum in the first place, because people are stupid and uninformed, but now we need another one as soon as possible, because people are... ?

    The combination of cultural snobbery from the Blair era and the post-crash Tory governments of corporate penny-pinching have completely fucked large swathes of the country and absolutely no one on the Remain side is speaking to them at the moment. They're just calling them stupid and backwards - again. I've long said Labour front bench's Brexit 'position' of ambivalence is far better than anything that the commentariat pontificates they should be doing. You can tell Keir Starmer (a London wanker if ever there was one) is bursting to go all FBPE on us and Corbyn and crew are doing brilliantly to pin him back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    What's this FPB?
    Google tells me it's some dreadful twitter thing somewhat akin to a circle-jerk.

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