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    Quote Originally Posted by SvN View Post
    Yeah, not disclosing even a salary range is such a red flag.

    Magic, in all seriousness, I do hope you're properly job hunting, because your company is going to collapse at some point. Might be in a month or might be in 2 years, but it looks doomed from what you've said.
    I'm honing my skills and building a network, if nothing else.

    I would have agreed with you, but now serious action has been taken at the front end I honestly think we'll see a huge improvement throughout the business.

    EDIT: obligatory 'hope it's not too late lol'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    Met someone from a start-up the other day about a job. Meant to have an interview tomorrow. When I was emailing him after our initial meeting to confirm the interview, I asked what the salary was. He won't disclose it and just said 'dependant on experience and we'll discuss it on Friday'. I hate this shit. Just fucking be up front about it. Not sure I can be arsed with the interview at all now.
    Look them up on Crunchbase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SvN View Post
    Yeah, not disclosing even a salary range is such a red flag.

    Magic, in all seriousness, I do hope you're properly job hunting, because your company is going to collapse at some point. Might be in a month or might be in 2 years, but it looks doomed from what you've said.
    Yeah, it sounded like it could be very good experience and somewhere I could learn a lot but then again it might fail. The commute is a ballache conpared to my current job.

    The not even disclosing a range has really put me off though. Was tempted to just tell him to shove it up his arse when he replied with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    Look them up on Crunchbase.
    What's it? They only have 5 staff and he's the only technical guy there so I doubt they'll have any salary infonif it's something like glassdoor

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    He'll probably be offering shit wages with shares in the company, or a salary based around the success of the company. I couldn't be fucked with it if it was me.

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    Might as well buy some lottery tickets.

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    Yeah, "competitive" really annoyed me. The job I got was upfront about the salary packages from day 1.
    I'm a twit

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    My job was weird for that. It was advertised as X, at interview they asked me what I wanted, I plucked a higher figure out of the air, and they offered me that. Keep thinking I should have stuck another £5k on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    What's it? They only have 5 staff and he's the only technical guy there so I doubt they'll have any salary infonif it's something like glassdoor
    Just fucking type it into Google and see you lazy cunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    Just fucking type it into Google and see you lazy cunt.
    I was walking down the street at lunch time when I posted that. I looked after. It's not particularly useful.

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    The monthly (lol) sales meeting won't be featuring our inept leader, as we all decide how we're going to split all the good shit up he'd been keeping to himself.

    This cunt was responsible for 8 years of shite in shite out so cannot fucking wait until he's gone. Prick made our lives so hard in engineering so really good to see our plan coming off.

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    My job won't stop giving me work to do but keeps compensating me with holidays that I can't take because I've got too much work to do.

    Due to an event I did for them they just gave me 3 days holiday that needs to be used before the end of the year. I'm already on vacation from next week for a month.

    So instead they converted all my temp-holiday days to over-ride the holiday days I've already taken. This works out that I now have... 29 days of vacation left. This is madness.

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    I've got to chose between a £500 a month drop in salary and double commission.

    WYYD?

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    Find a new job.

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    What's the second choice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SvN View Post
    What's the second choice?
    Sacked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SvN View Post
    What's the second choice?
    Same wage and same commission as the other guys.

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    Yearly Holiday Entitlement : 30
    Carry-over last year : 18.5
    Total leave: 48.5
    Total holiday taken current year : 19.5
    Balance after requests : 29
    Balance after approval : 29


    I mean really.

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    Just gtfo today and don't come back until next year then.

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    Put it this way, I will get £2,350 in commission from November sales. It would have been half that, + £500 (£1,6750) had I been on the old model.

    The beauty of that is I hardly sold anything really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Just gtfo today and don't come back until next year then.
    Im off next week for a month.

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    Why are you even asking? Double commission means you'll end up getting paid more anyway, so do that.

    Just make sure they stipulate it isn't capped.
    @Magic obvs
    I'm a twit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    Why are you even asking? Double commission means you'll end up getting paid more anyway, so do that.

    Just make sure they stipulate it isn't capped.
    @Magic obvs
    What it actually means is they're desperately trying to slash payroll. At best it's an accounting trick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    Why are you even asking? Double commission means you'll end up getting paid more anyway, so do that.

    Just make sure they stipulate it isn't capped.
    @Magic obvs
    It isn't capped, and there are multiplies too, so in theory if I have an AMAZING month I could get 500% more, which would be 10x what the other guys get for the same sales.

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    They've timed this beautifully too, on the back of a good month for you. So all you're thinking is how amazing it would be to earn more for months like this.

    What about the months where you earn fuck all? What if the company suddenly puts their prices up and your sales plummet? Can you return to your existing pay model?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SvN View Post
    They've timed this beautifully too, on the back of a good month for you. So all you're thinking is how amazing it would be to earn more for months like this.

    What about the months where you earn fuck all? What if the company suddenly puts their prices up and your sales plummet? Can you return to your existing pay model?
    It wasn't a good month.

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    Why were you wanking about your pay then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SvN View Post
    Why were you wanking about your pay then?
    Because it was good for me. If I had a 'good' month you'd be talking at least 5k. If I get the one I'm working on now and hit a multiplier I'd be getting 5K in Jan's pay. That means I'd have to sell nothing for about 4 months (after tax) and break even still.

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    At what stage in a new job do the people become tolerable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    Because it was good for me. If I had a 'good' month you'd be talking at least 5k. If I get the one I'm working on now and hit a multiplier I'd be getting 5K in Jan's pay. That means I'd have to sell nothing for about 4 months (after tax) and break even still.
    Well "good" is subjective, isn't it? What makes you think you're going to ever get near those higher figures?

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    It is nice that there are some companies out there that want to give their employees more money for no reason whatsoever. Magic should be grateful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SvN View Post
    Well "good" is subjective, isn't it? What makes you think you're going to ever get near those higher figures?
    My channel is about to considerably grow on Wednesday. I'm actually amazed I've got what I've got given I've hardly had any training, have no sales experience at all, and only have about 3 partners to work with. I've had 1 lead from the website direct that I managed to convert, and 1 from another BDM that I managed to convert that they couldn't after 4 months. The day of the wide-boy sales guy in comms is absolutely numbered. People want to talk to people that know what they are on about and that care. Good times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manc View Post
    At what stage in a new job do the people become tolerable?
    Never. If they are intolerable now they will always be intolerable. You either get on or you don't.

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    The day you gun them down.

    Just kidding, FBI lads.

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    Our boss is in tomorrow for a talk about the future of the businesses on the site. Two of which are quite fucked. Hopefully some good gossip comes from it.

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    Customer came in and kicked off at my colleague today.

    "I want to make a complaint, it says I have to make room on my phone to update the app!"

    "...yeah, you'll need to delete some stuff first"

    "BUT I DON'T WANT TO DELETE ANYTHING"

    She ended up leaving in a huff when my colleague suggested getting a memory card. This twat was early 30s tops, how the fuck can you be that stupid?

    Also had our daily routine of a Romanian come in and say "LOOK AT THIS TRANSACTION IT WASN'T ME IT'S FRAUD I WANT MONEY BACK", when it's quite clearly something they've bought online and not noticed the (not so)small-print saying that it's a free trial for some shite that will then cost a million quid a month after the trial period ends or whatever. It's a tough one because I do feel sorry for them as English ain't their first language, but I'd rather when we explain it's a free trial thing their attitude is more "oh woops, my mistake, please can you help me", instead of doubling down and getting arsey.

    I do have more sympathy for them than the dopey English twats claiming Amazon are illegally taking money from their accounts. It's ALWAYS an Amazon Prime subscription and 99% of the time the conversation will go something like

    "yeah, it's a prime subscription, you will have signed up for the free trial which then starts taking money"
    "NO I DIDN'T"
    "did you buy anything off Amazon recently?"
    "yes"
    "did you get quick free shipping for it?"
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    "did you read anything it said about a prime subscription when you did it?"
    "..."

    It's quite often fairly articulate people in their 20s and 30s as well. FML

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    Quote Originally Posted by igor_balis View Post
    I do have more sympathy for them than the dopey English twats claiming Amazon are illegally taking money from their accounts. It's ALWAYS an Amazon Prime subscription and 99% of the time the conversation will go something like

    "yeah, it's a prime subscription, you will have signed up for the free trial which then starts taking money"
    "NO I DIDN'T"
    "did you buy anything off Amazon recently?"
    "yes"
    "did you get quick free shipping for it?"
    "yes"
    "did you read anything it said about a prime subscription when you did it?"
    "..."

    It's quite often fairly articulate people in their 20s and 30s as well. FML
    Friend of mine has worked at a call center for thetrainline.com for years now. If you book tickets through them, the first time you sign up for an account you get a small discount on that ticket you ordered like it was a bookies offering free bets or whatever. What no-one actually reads is that this then signs you up to a yearly trainline.com subscription.

    His job is to cancel it as soon as they complain about it and say tough shit on the refund. They'll have got 4.50 off their ticket and ended up paying at least 10x that before they noticed. They're making enough off this to pay for call centers in Switzerland to deal with their complaints.

    That's a £18 p/h complaint they can apparently afford.

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    I don't think they offer that in the UK.

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    Apparently the boss's thing this morning was him going large about profits. Meanwhile I was taking a call from a claimant who exclaimed, "Why can't you guys just talk to each other instead of sending me off for three different assessments for three different benefits?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SvN View Post
    I don't think they offer that in the UK.
    Yeah it's a specific thing you do when booking from abroad. The sort of shit easyjet makes you hit skip 5 times when booking a flight. Do you need insurance? Do you need a hotel? etc. It's all really dodgy.

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    Us over-worked civil servants are getting the afternoon off tomorrow whilst the building gets sprayed for silverfish.

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    One day my boss will realise that her inability to ever approve anything without several rounds of tedious back and forth while you guess what she wants is why I'm the only person on this team here longer than a year.

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    First day on Engineer duty today. Have to traipse down to London for my induction. I didn't know engineering was going to be this hard.

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    They've updated Photoshop and it's a fucking mess. Everything is backwards, half the stuff doesn't work, I couldn't cut and paste text in a text box ffs. The InDesign update was great but the Photoshop update is so wank I've had to uninstall it and go back to version 19.

    This is a 7.3 billion dollar a year company, how do they fuck it up so badly?

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    I think you're on about the update from a few weeks ago. Is that where the undo shortcut has changed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SvN View Post
    I think you're on about the update from a few weeks ago. Is that where the undo shortcut has changed?
    That was version 20 which was bad but this is version 20.0.1 which is somehow worse.

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    Obviously my choice between double comish and lower wage or same wage and standard comish just got a bit harder.

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    Do you have 'benefits' such as buying shopping vouchers pre-tax etc? If so, I would be doing that to make your take home pay as low as possible.

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    I had my review today (after waiting outside for 20 minutes listening to the big boss take my line manager to pieces, which wasn't too much fun).

    Anyway, after a load of fluff about how good I am he said 'Average company raise this year is 2%, but your manager has recommended 8% for you'. Now I'm a novice at these things as the Koreans did self reviews only and you took what you were told with no discussion. So should I have negotiated?

    I didn't, because I thought the raise was fair, and the guy is 80 years old and a proper Jewish patriarch, but should I have done? I'm sure 2% raises is horseshit.

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