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    Fucking hell, no wonder Gasly was fuming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    Thankfully he has a championship that Sky can’t crib (much) about for the next year.

    Why was it on so early? Is it a big enough race that they can just say fuck your and your European viewers.
    Not really sure it even caters to anyone outside of Asia, the time zone.

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    Just wait til the track is clear to recover that vehicle. Once all the cars are in pitlane. It's a very Suzuka problem though. Brundle in 1994, Bianchi in 2014 and now this. Maybe Japanese marshals are just thick?

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    They have a thing called night which happens at the end of every day and makes it harder to run an F1 race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco View Post
    They have a thing called night which happens at the end of every day and makes it harder to run an F1 race.
    Doesn’t seem to bother the Arabs.

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    The Arabs have these things called floodlights ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shindig View Post
    The Arabs have these things called floodlights ...
    And there’s the answer to the question I asked. Good old TTH.

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    F1 does rather feel as if it's in an end of days state. A 30 minute race? There is literally nothing to commend it anymore. Even the rain, which was once a great equaliser, makes things worse as SAFETY [we'll ignore a car nearly going full beans into a recovery vehicle] mandates that no one is ever actually allowed to race in the wet, and if they are, all the absolutely necessary overtaking aids aren't permitted so it just becomes a comedy procession of people parking their massive cars all over whichever line the driver behind wants. LeClerc not having the balls to force Verstappen off in turn 1 decided the race [the same would not have happened were they switched]. No one having any idea what the situation with the points was at the end sums it up, and then we'll find out next week that Red Bull have been miles over the budget cap.

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    The key is how far over the budget they were.

    They split it at 5% over. 5% over and below is seen as less serious and likely punishments are a reduction in wind tunnel time, fines and lol worthily, a reduction in future cap space.

    If they've gone over 5% and it sounds like they have by a fair way, then Mercedes especially will demanding the exclusion of them from the championship.

    F1 seems to be in a place that now, no matter what has happened, no wins will be taken away once the cars have seen the chequered flag. I fully expect they'll give them a fine and reduction in wind tunnel time for being such silly boys. Toto to seethe himself into oblivion after.

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    I don't really care one way or the other [although I would say the absence of sporting sanctions universally means whatever you are trying to achieve in any sport, be it cost cutting F1 or less racism in football is doomed to achieve very little] but what I would be interested to know is how the use of red flags/safety cars/timed finishes in the last 2 or 3 seasons compares with the previous 3 decades. Just feels like it happens all the time now and it wrecks the thing as a spectacle.

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    It likely feels worse now as we're trying to cram about 50 races a season in.

    They need to do away with this 3 hour window bollocks though. Make every track install floodlights. If there's no chance of the rain letting up then fair enough, but what's the point in going for a 30 min race?

    Even better than nobody knew they could award full points today, even the teams.

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    The combination of weird American private equity ideas (sprint races can fuck off), the continued insistence on murderous street venues which I thought would go away with Bernie, the weird sexualisation/fanboyisation of the drivers (or some of them) by the post-DTS online fanbase, and the fact that the cars are the sort of size and shape that merit being towed out of ditches by Ukrainian tractors, have all combined to make it less and less edifying over the last few years. There are also far too many safety cars (if there have to be so many for safety reasons, fine, but you shouldn't be able to pit under them).

    No French or German GPs in a 24 race calendar, and Spa seems to be under serious threat. What gives?

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    It's the contradiction of being money conscious whilst also trying to be the pinnacle of engineering. It used to be a more inviting sport for privateers and engine suppliers. Now the same three manufacturers hold those engines and the teens that drive them.

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    The barriers to entry are far too high (monetarily and technologically, we'll never get another Cosworth DFV for example) but I think that's largely by design, the manufacturers want to win but they don't want a competition. The result has been all the garagistas (ie the innovators) being priced out of the game and the sport 'relying' on a handful of manufacturers to stick around and retain the veneer of variety/competition. I had hoped the cost cap was a possible route back to the sort of contest we saw through the 80's / 90's, I guess we'll find out tomorrow what the FIA think about it.

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    I wouldn't worry about any of that lads, the Merc is bound to be a whole lot better next year.

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    Minor breach it is. In my book you either breach a cost gap or you don’t but what do I know.

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    And as ever with punishment in sports for spending too much money, they will be fined some more money. I'm sure Red Bull and Lawrence Stroll will be up all night wondering how they're going to pay it.

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    Minor breach is anything from 1p to £7.5 million, I wonder how much delta £7.5 million gets you in F1 these days. If the result is a fine then every team should now do it.

    I would just lower their cost cap for next season by an amount that hurts. Sod changing old results.

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    Binotto was saying something about $5m being half a second.

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    Whatever it ends up being it is completely impossible to measure how much of an advantage it gave them, which is exactly why it doesn't matter. Fine them a wedge, take a lump out of the next periods cost cap and move on.

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    Yeah, the time gained for x pounds idea is a bit lol. If Ferrari reckon they could get 0.5s for £5m then you can only imagine what Adrian Newey can get for the same. They probably only needed to go over by a few packs of hobnobs to get the same relative advantage.

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    Hardly the firmest of ground given it's Ferrari making that argument.

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    From Joe Sawards Japan blog...

    Alpine has taken the plunge with two French drivers who have not always got on in the past. Time will tell if this is wise but I am told that in an effort to keep friction to a minimum both drivers have been informed that they can have family at only two events a year, and that the two families cannot attend the same races…
    This in the same week that Alpine have said Lando Norris is 'rattled' because he said they should be doing much better given their pace, and in the same year that Alpine thought retroactively writing 'Contract' on their copy of an agreement made it legally binding. An unwise amount of bluster for one of the worst performing factory teams in history.

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    What? Is there some kind of ludicrous dads-at-kids-football style beef (boeuf) between the families?

    Lol either way at signing two drivers where you have to impose such a condition before one's even got into the uniform.

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    Apparently, the internet is split between general sporting parent bullshit and some sort of girlfriend stealing episode. Either way if Saward is mentioning it then there is likely something to it, even though it really shouldn't be a problem if everyone is vaguely professional.

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    It took Giovinazzi less than 10 minutes of FP1 to spin into a wall and cause a red flag. Might as well just announce Hulk now.

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    Sainz :\

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    We need to hear Russell's radio on that incident.

    "He just turned in front of me!"

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    Alonso and Stroll hahahaaha.

    Surely a Red Flag.

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    Meaty crash.

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    Strulovich moving over on someone, who could believe it.

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    You can hear in Alonso's voice that that is the sort of crash that makes you wonder what you're doing as a 40 year old mega millionaire doing this sort of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco View Post
    Strulovich moving over on someone, who could believe it.
    Could genuinely have killed him with that too.

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    Funny how they made such a quick decision when it's just Gasly.

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    Max

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    Beautiful indeed. Hamilton's to lose.

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    Poor old Perez, he's going to have to go into bus mode now.

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    Didn't realise LeClerc and Verstappen had gone onto the mediums.

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    Verstappen still less than 1/2 to win lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    Didn't realise LeClerc and Verstappen had gone onto the mediums.
    Surely they aren't going to last after them two going at it like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waffdon View Post
    Verstappen still less than 1/2 to win lol
    He’ll still win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waffdon View Post
    Verstappen still less than 1/2 to win lol
    He (and LeClerc) are so much faster than Lewis.

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    Vettel

    Aston Martin fucking themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Andy Mahowry View Post
    He (and LeClerc) are so much faster than Lewis.
    On Mediums with 1 less lap than Hamilton whilst they are both still fighting each other in 2nd. Lap times are now reducing too.

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    Would love Don Lewis to win this.

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    Definitely ending with a safety car and Verstappen sweeping by Hamilton with a few laps left.

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    He wont but if/when Max inches ahead Lewis should just wipe him out.

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    Once he gets into DRS this is done.

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    I just hope Merc gave up on this seasons car a few months back and fully focused on 2023. We need them back at the front like this again.

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    Sitting duck here.

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