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Thread: F1 2022 - El Plan

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    Lots of Canadian dollars.

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    Is he still 21st in a field of 20 drivers?

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    That he is, much like Mazepin last season.

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    Looks like Sainz has been given some other car accidentally painted up as a Ferrari.

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    Bold from Russell to go on Mediums, looks too soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Looks like Sainz has been given some other car accidentally painted up as a Ferrari.
    He's been very underwhelming this whole season it feels to me.

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    Albon

    Stunned he was able to even race mind, he must have been in a lot of pain.

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    Last few laps have been chaos.

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    Norris is winning this

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    Max by a few seconds I think.

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    Super lucky not to hit anyone/get hit by someone.

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    Did Russell just complain that Schumacher is defending too much or what?

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    Sounds like they're going to give it the Charles after the race.

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    How is this win better than his first one, what on earth are they smoking?

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    Can't decide if that was a very dull good race, or a very good dull race. About 3 laps of total action in the top 6, but Max/Lewis/the midfield were all over the show.

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    Shit for a wet race, not bad for a mickey mouse street race.

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    It really dragged until they switched to slicks.

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    Not a bad race. Was interesting to see Max fuck up repeatedly and come through the field.

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    Even with 12 safety cars or whatever, it was pretty shite. The pack kept getting reset and everyone restored the previous gaps within a few laps. Had a bit of a nightmare recording it because it went long and it was hardly worth the effort.

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    Yeah, I was trying to watch it on delay but it kept just failing and making me fast forward to the live coverage, which I suppose was a small mercy as it was an awful race.

    The lady on the bike definitely the highlight.

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    Lando Norris miles clear in the standings behind the 3 main constructors. I pray he finally gets a decent car. Sochi still hurts to this day

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    How do we feel about the timing of the Perez safety car penalty? A decision that could easily have been made during the race and the penalty applied at a pit stop which possibly changes the result, especially given that the gaps he was leaving were absolutely on purpose and this sort of thing does have safety implications. It's something that both has and hasn't been punished over the years but I'm not sure how much I like them leaving the decision until they knew what impact it would have on the result.

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    Have they announced anything?

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    As we found at at Abu Dhabi last year, they decide these things based on how it impacts 'the show'. After Belgium 2008 (or whatever year it was Hamilton got done) I don't think they've changed a winner post chequered flag.

    Brazil 2003 very much the GOAT for such things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    Have they announced anything?
    5 second penalty for Perez.

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    Two offences, one got a 5 second penalty and the other a reprimand.

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    If the gap was less than 5 seconds, 100% no penalty. Absolute bottle job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben View Post
    If the gap was less than 5 seconds, 100% no penalty. Absolute bottle job.
    This is it. They’ve taken the easy route by penalising him but doing nothing to affect the result. Was it Anthony Davidson who said that Vettel got a punishment for something similar many years ago and got a drive through penalty? I’d care more if the championships were close but Red Bull have won 13/17 races this season.

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    Hold on. Both radio crews knew the 5-second penalty was likely. Perez put his foot down, Charles had nowt to give. Why are moaning after the fact?

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    Everything’s a conspiracy theory. It’s not a 10 second penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    Everything’s a conspiracy theory. It’s not a 10 second penalty.
    It was two infringements.

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    The penalty itself is immaterial, it's the timing that makes them look like a bunch of race fixing cowardy custards.

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    It's very odd indeed they didn't deal with it in the race.

    The ten car lengths one I'm not too fussed on as it wasn't egregious and he could make the argument that it was hard to judge from cockpit level.

    However the gesturing and pressuring the safety car they were only this season expressly told not to do.

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    It wasn't by accident, he was about 5 corners back from the SC because that's exactly where he wanted to be. Not that much of an issue for me as long as the speed is sensible/consistent but lets not pretend it was anything other than completely intentional.

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    Cheeky 6am start this weekend in Japan.

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    Speaking of start times: Do races begin later nowadays? I remember when I was young I always had to wake up at 6 am or so to watch the races, which was really tough after a night out. Now I seem to catch many of them at more reasonable times, say 9 or 10 am.

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    It's just there's a lot more night races now (they even moved the Australian Grand Prix to dusk local time) so even on the other side of the world, it's in daylight hours for Europe.

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    They all used to be 1pm UK time (the European ones) and they're now often 2pm.

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    I just saw there was a total of 16 on-track overtakes in the Singapore GP: Verstappen 10, Russell 5, Magnussen 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben View Post
    I just saw there was a total of 16 on-track overtakes in the Singapore GP: Verstappen 10, Russell 5, Magnussen 1.
    I presume that doesn't count any of the first-lap stuff then?

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    The reason for such races can be seen in the geometric aero-spray that comes up behind the cars on a damp track. TAKE THE FUCKING DOWNFORCE OFF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    The reason for such races can be seen in the geometric aero-spray that comes up behind the cars on a damp track. TAKE THE FUCKING DOWNFORCE OFF
    I've watched a few onboards of the old Prost and Minardi cars recently. Good God. Watching Jean Alesi trying to control the old blue Prost is a thing of beauty. There is absolutely zero rear grip and its so fun to watch.

    https://youtu.be/lw5MoNXbtyo

    https://youtu.be/4VgALraIawA (Minardi )

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    I know nostalgia has a tendency to make the glasses somewhat rose tinted, but in the case of F1, it's absolutely the case that it used to be a lot better.

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    As an F1 history nerd I've thought for a while about what the exact moment was when it went to shit, and I think it was when they redesigned Hockenheim in 2002. Nothing better symbolises the move from it being a mad racing series where insanely talented people design and then drive rocket ships on wheels that hurtle off into the terrain, to being what it is now, a sanitised, homogenised and highly-controlled TV entertainment spectacle.

    When they get rid of Monaco will be the last nail in the coffin. It might be 'dull' but it's the last vestige of the madcap insanity that brought the sport into existence. Fuck DRS.

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    They overhauled the TV graphics in 2004 so that's a good symbolic crossover, but I did enjoy 2005 a lot. 2006 saw the 2.4L V8 come in and that was that.

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    I also thought about the points system changing in 2003, but if cars are going to be reliable then you have to hand out more points really.

    The 'Alonso is a cunt' era was pretty good, since then it's been pretty mind-numbing, albeit softened for me being a Hamilton sympathiser.

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    Honestly, if the old regs were kept, this year would've been magic.

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    I particularly enjoyed this bit of double-speak from the post race statements:

    Although the track was wet in parts, we do not accept that the conditions were such as to make it impossible or dangerous for PER to have maintained the required less than 10 car length gap. Nevertheless, we took into account the wet conditions and the difficulties highlighted
    by PER as mitigatory circumstances for this incident.

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    Has Ron Dennis taken over as chief steward?

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    I’ve no recollection of years but the one thing I remember about when I enjoyed it the best was the era when the cars looked really narrow and the slicks had the straight threads in them. Or part of that era anyway, however long it lasted.

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