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    Ours are so bad they made Diane Abbott look 100% correct.


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    And that's before we get to sending infected people back into care homes without even testing them.

    I mean, you couldn't make it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    Want another run at that?

    Basically, there are shit people in jobs and professions up and down the land, the world over. Quite how this automatically stops being a truism when it comes to scientific advisors is absolutely beyond me.
    Maybe it's because it's constantly evolving. Unlike law, or commercial, or land or some other shit you can specialise in it's not a human construct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    Maybe it's because it's constantly evolving. Unlike law, or commercial, or land or some other shit you can specialise in it's not a human construct.
    This is a defence I often hear, but loads of things constantly evolve, be they human constructs or not. Even if they don't, and this is a unique problem for science, it's not as if they've just worked that out. They shouldn't need to be reminded that waiting until something has been proven beyond doubt (before advising for or against it) isn't that helpful in a pandemic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    This is a defence I often hear, but loads of things constantly evolve, be they human constructs or not. Even if they don't, and this is a unique problem for science, it's not as if they've just worked that out. They shouldn't need to be reminded that waiting until something has been proven beyond doubt (before advising for or against it) isn't that helpful in a pandemic.
    What is helpful in a pandemic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    What is helpful in a pandemic?
    Making decisions on balance with what information we do have available and updating those as we go. Taking months to add a symptom to the official list, that everyone was already aware of weeks ago, is useless. Utterly useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    Making decisions on balance with what information we do have available and updating those as we go. Taking months to add a symptom to the official list, that everyone was already aware of weeks ago, is useless. Utterly useless.
    But the vast majority don't pay attention. Remember everyone believing if you can't hold your breath for 10 seconds you've got Covid because of some shite on Facebook? Frequently changing what is and what isn't is also utterly useless, as nobody will pay attention anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    Basically Taz, the rules when it comes to science are as follows:

    Science is allowed as long as it likes to come to a decision, irrespective of what's actually happening in the real world during that time.
    Science can never be wrong in that decision, just different.
    Science's decision is not final, it's only guidance. Ultimately government makes the decisions.
    If that decision is wro...sorry, different then that's on the government. If it's right, that's why science is brilliant.
    This is batshit.

    Why even have science if we can just go with Yevrage gut feel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    But the vast majority don't pay attention. Remember everyone believing if you can't hold your breath for 10 seconds you've got Covid because of some shite on Facebook? Frequently changing what is and what isn't is also utterly useless, as nobody will pay attention anyway.
    People not paying attention is a different issue and can be filed in the bin along with "face masks don't work because people put their hands under them".

    And I didn't say anything about frequently changing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    This is batshit.

    Why even have science if we can just go with Yevrage gut feel?
    Science is wonderful, we should absolutely have it. What we shouldn't have is it being subjected to no scrutiny whatsoever.

    Just because I criticise our scientic advisors doesn't mean I'm a flat earther, creationist or climate change denier. People need to come to terms with separating the critical and the ignorance. It shouldn't be hard, but seemingly they're too far invested in the argument (against the idiots who believe those things I've mentioned) to do so.

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    "wHy DoN't YoU tElL uS aBoUt ThOsE tHiNgS tHaT yOu DoN't KnOw AbOuT yEt!"

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    And your response to both mine and Taz/Spikey's post just sums up what I'm saying Kik's.

    Science is the new religion and god forbid anyone that criticises it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    Science is wonderful, we should absolutely have it. What we shouldn't have is it being subjected to no scrutiny whatsoever.

    Just because I criticise our scientic advisors doesn't mean I'm a flat earther, creationist or climate change denier. People need to come to terms with separating the critical and the ignorance. It shouldn't be hard, but seemingly they're too far invested in the argument (against the idiots who believe those things I've mentioned) to do so.
    I think there's a different argument to be had on the effectiveness of the scientific advisors and whether or not they have been able to be frank (like the lady quoted above). That should be investigated post the event. My humble opinion is the process has been politicised which has led to less than useful pressers.

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    Science is a human construct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    "wHy DoN't YoU tElL uS aBoUt ThOsE tHiNgS tHaT yOu DoN't KnOw AbOuT yEt!"
    Can't really do much with this, so guess my work here is done. For now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    And your response to both mine and Taz/Spikey's post just sums up what I'm saying Kik's.

    Science is the new religion and god forbid anyone that criticises it.
    Except it isn't made up...but your argument suggests you'd prefer it to be?

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    If science is the new religion, does this mean Yevrah is the second coming of Jesus Christ himself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    I think there's a different argument to be had on the effectiveness of the scientific advisors and whether or not they have been able to be frank (like the lady quoted above). That should be investigated post the event. My humble opinion is the process has been politicised which has led to less than useful pressers.
    You're politicising it by assuming she wasn't able to speak freely. "Must have been those evil tories that put her up to it". Why can't she just be incompetent? A lot of people are.

    And you saw Vallance frothing at the gash to get herd immunity going two weeks before we locked down. It would have been the most stereotypical Tory thing ever to keep the economy going and let all the pov's die. We didn't do that as a direct result of the government intervening and stopping the mad plan. Yet somehow, weeks on, all that's forgotten and it's evil tories and poor scientists again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    Except it isn't made up...but your argument suggests you'd prefer it to be?
    I mean more in terms of the cult type reaction towards it that's definitely developing, than it being made up.

    There's quite a patronising stench given off by people who advocate science (I mean, well done, what else are you going to advocate? Idiocy?) and that they're somehow very smart by doing so (nope, you're just not a moron).

    The government have played into this from day 1 with their "following the science" line that they've been at pains to repeat time and time again, because they too have read the mood on this one and know it gives them a bit of a free pass.

    Well done to all of you that have either fallen for, or helped create that one.

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    They got intervened on by Deadly Dom Cummings if the journal of record is to be believed. Funnily enough I saw him up in a biplane yesterday, goggles and all, firing pellets of COVID towards Labour-voting areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    They got intervened on by Deadly Dom Cummings if the journal of record is to be believed. Funnily enough I saw him up in a biplane yesterday, goggles and all, firing pellets of COVID towards Labour-voting areas.
    Indeed, but he's still a Tory (not that I think he cares about anything other than WINNING), and the worst one according to some going into this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    You're politicising it by assuming she wasn't able to speak freely. "Must have been those evil tories that put her up to it". Why can't she just be incompetent? A lot of people are.

    And you saw Vallance frothing at the gash to get herd immunity going two weeks before we locked down. It would have been the most stereotypical Tory thing ever to keep the economy going and let all the pov's die. We didn't do that as a direct result of the government intervening and stopping the mad plan. Yet somehow, weeks on, all that's forgotten and it's evil tories and poor scientists again.
    Well my first sentence was we should have an inquiry before offering my opinion. I know I'm politicising my own opinion.

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    Finally a Labour surge in the polls. God bless Sir Keir

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    If science is the new religion, does this mean Yevrah is the second coming of Jesus Christ himself?
    Does that make Magic a Pharisee?

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    I kneel before the mandingo of science as I've done before in here but the delay in listing anosmia is negligence on their part. What Yev said basically.

    Also, this is probably the most coherent media spokesman to date...

    https://youtu.be/eB1eqvAxQAQ

    The article is in the top comment.

    Get the fucking pubs open, you cunts.

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    I am generally speaking about as pro-science as it's possible to be and I'm all on board with 'following the science'. My issue here, is that our Scientists are seemingly determined to turn their noses up at what 90% of the world's scientists are advising.

    'Decades old research shows that masks help to stop the spread of airborne viruses'

    '..... MOAR ReSeArCh On ThAt PlEAZ'.

    If the research has been done and steps put in place by other countries in line with it, then put the fucking steps in place here. By all means research it yourselves to see if you can verify the results, but don't leave the country bumble fucking around without masks and without accepting well documented symptoms whilst you do so.

    What causes more harm; listing 'loss of sense of smell' as a potential symptom when it might not be one, or not listing it as a possible symptom when it is one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don View Post
    I kneel before the mandingo of science as I've done before in here but the delay in listing anosmia is negligence on their part. What Yev said basically.

    Also, this is probably the most coherent media spokesman to date...

    https://youtu.be/eB1eqvAxQAQ

    The article is in the top comment.

    Get the fucking pubs open, you cunts.
    If you replace theatre with the word brothel it makes much more sense.

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    Just to bring some calm and measured thought to prior post. I think there's very valid arguments against Lord Sumption's stance and serious flaws in all options open to us, hence the minefield we find ourselves in.

    But yeah, I need to see my Eastern Europeans ffs.

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    Hang on. There’s been far too much talk about science here. Don’t you mean the science.
    I'm a twit

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    Deaths per 1m Population


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    Our electrician and his wife have tested positive.

    He hasn't been to ours in a while which is good but there are still some things that he needed to do downstairs which means we might need to hire someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Andy Mahowry View Post
    Our electrician and his wife have tested positive.

    He hasn't been to ours in a while which is good but there are still some things that he needed to do downstairs which means we might need to hire someone else.
    Lol most boring post award winner.

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    Well, if anyone can get their downstairs sorted without meeting them first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    Lol most boring post award winner.
    Hardly

    I wonder how u communicate with friends

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    Probably the same reason he got decked outside the Kebab shop.

    Was that outside Khan’s btw, @Magic?

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    Lowest new cases since the end of March. Good.

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    Opening up the hardware shops went well. People are fucking imbeciles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waffdon View Post
    Probably the same reason he got decked outside the Kebab shop.

    Was that outside Khan’s btw, @Magic?
    Yes.

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    Twitter going mental about Jonathan Van Tam saying that they brought some regulation in on the 30th February sums twitter up. Obviously he means 1 March, just move on.

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    No, everyone needs to get the same joke in whilst somehow ignoring the person before them has made it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    Opening up the hardware shops went well. People are fucking imbeciles.
    There were huge queues of traffic this morning in Belfast at recycling centres/dumps. Read some guy in the Belfast Telegraph saying he waited for two hours. Yeah, whatever shit you had in your garage to throw out absolutely had to be done today, ffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    There were huge queues of traffic this morning in Belfast at recycling centres/dumps. Read some guy in the Belfast Telegraph saying he waited for two hours. Yeah, whatever shit you had in your garage to throw out absolutely had to be done today, ffs.
    The dumps round here are all 2 hours+ waiting time too. It's fucking stupid.

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    Just put a bit in your normal bin every week like the rest of us.

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    Or dump stuff in the canals with Baz's trolleys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    There were huge queues of traffic this morning in Belfast at recycling centres/dumps. Read some guy in the Belfast Telegraph saying he waited for two hours. Yeah, whatever shit you had in your garage to throw out absolutely had to be done today, ffs.
    Seen a video of what must have been over a hundred outside B&Q in Liffey Valley this morning before opening. Woodies in Blanchardstown had to open over an hour earlier because people were getting rowdy. I’d say you could count the amount that needed something essential on one hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    There were huge queues of traffic this morning in Belfast at recycling centres/dumps. Read some guy in the Belfast Telegraph saying he waited for two hours. Yeah, whatever shit you had in your garage to throw out absolutely had to be done today, ffs.
    I can almost understand the idea of getting in the car and thinking "I'll go have a look". I mean, I wouldn't do it myself. Not on the first day it's opened, and not for several weeks after. But fair enough if you've really nothing else to do and you want to go and chance your arm. What I can't understand is seeing the number of people in the queue and joining it.

    People were queuing out of a retail park, across a roundabout and down a dual carriageway for a fucking drive-through Costa that reopened near where I work a couple of weeks ago. In what world do you get in your car, see that and think "yes, I think I will join this queue of tailback traffic on a dual carriageway so somebody can eventually hand me a latte through a window"? There's something wrong with people like that.

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    Lol, as if they're accusing the other side of being the ones waging the culture war.

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    There are few things in life I hate more than queuing, and the thought of having to time my supermarket visits to avoid them annoys me far more than not being able to eat out ever again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    I can almost understand the idea of getting in the car and thinking "I'll go have a look". I mean, I wouldn't do it myself. Not on the first day it's opened, and not for several weeks after. But fair enough if you've really nothing else to do and you want to go and chance your arm. What I can't understand is seeing the number of people in the queue and joining it.

    People were queuing out of a retail park, across a roundabout and down a dual carriageway for a fucking drive-through Costa that reopened near where I work a couple of weeks ago. In what world do you get in your car, see that and think "yes, I think I will join this queue of tailback traffic on a dual carriageway so somebody can eventually hand me a latte through a window"? There's something wrong with people like that.
    Yep. They see somewhere has opened, knowing full well there will be other plebs like them queuing. And they still go. And they still complain about how this has ruined their day of nothing.

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