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    I refuse to believe they're all constant shit but they've been awful for nearly 7 years so can't really be too hopeful.

    Good goal rashford.

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    And once again when we are down and actually start attacking we look quite good. It's so frustrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    I think I should just copy and paste this on a weekly basis but United are detestable. Some absolute turds in that team.
    It's literally unbearable to watch.

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    This is all nicely leading towards an expertly managed 0-0 or 0-1 at Anfield and he keeps the job.

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    I actually don't mind being shit. I just can't stand that we are bad because we are so poor in each game because they put in the bare minimum each time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Fox View Post
    This is all nicely leading towards an expertly managed 0-0 or 0-1 at Anfield and he keeps the job.
    Lol no. 4-0 on Saturday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    I refuse to believe they're all constant shit but they've been awful for nearly 7 years so can't really be too hopeful.

    Good goal rashford.
    I still think the managers are to blame. They've all - in their own special ways - been completely terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    I actually don't mind being shit. I just can't stand that we are bad because we are so poor in each game because they put in the bare minimum each time.
    This is exactly it.

    I could deal with it if it seemed like they TRIED.

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    Can we all take a minute to lol at Juventus.

    Losing 2-1 to Young Boys with this squad:

    Szczesny
    Cuadrado
    Rugani
    Bonucci
    De Sciglio
    Pjanic
    Bentancur
    Bernardeschi
    Douglas Costa
    Mandzukic
    Cristiano Ronaldo

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    I'm telling you there is massive scope for 'LvG' revisionism when you consider the absolute shit he had to work with. Mourinho would have melted down on the spot if he had had to field some of the makeshift sides that he did.

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    Out of the three LvG had the most potential to succeed given the time and investment, IMO.

    Then again it was him who binned the Kroos deal after Moyes agreed it so maybe he is just as big a retard as the other two.

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    It was HORRIBLE under van Gaal. Stop imagining something that wasn't there.

    At least his post match was interesting.

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    Yeah, it goes a bit 'Rafa' at Liverpool once you factor transfers in; but, like 'Rafa' at Liverpool, he probably had to spread what was available a bit more thinly than Mourinho has had to, so it was always going to be a bit hit and miss.

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    Didn't he have the best record in the league in big games or something seriously lol like that? I don't think it's that wild to think that if he had been given three-hundred million to reinforce the squad with QUALITY after his FA Cup win that things might look a bit better than they do now.

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    I vaguely remember van Gael nailing it again at the rest of the top-whatever but shitting it against the... well.... shit.

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    Man management is a huge part of it rather than just whether the money has been spent well. You look at Klopp at Liverpool, and I'm not saying he's perfect, but they clearly all want to play for him. That sort of thing can make transfers look good.

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    Man utd have won trophies under mourinho. Liverpool have won fuck all under klopp

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    Yeah but it's been absolute torture. Even the Europa run was complete bollocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    Yeah but it's been absolute torture. Even the Europa run was complete bollocks.
    And still you won. Klopp and liverpool are cetified losers and fail at the final hurdle multipe times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    He got a bit of luck from the shittest wall ever assembled.
    I didn’t see McTominay crouched behind it.
    I'm a twit

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    Oh no, my trophy wins aren't exciting enough.

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    I've always thought that is such a weird way of judging success. The only competitions that really matter if you win (as an English team) are the Premier League and Champs league, with the FA Cup a distant 3rd. The League Cup isn't too much more relevant than the International Champions Cup they play over in the States in the off-season.

    And as for the posterity argument, I guarantee more people will remember this Liverpool side - even if they win nothing - than the United side winning Europa or some other big team winning the FA Cup

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    Says the Spurs fan.

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    I wouldn't give a shit if we won the Carabao Competition.

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    Klopp is currently on course to record the most points that Liverpool have ever amassed in the top division, and yet still probably won't win the thing.

    Whereas a minor Cup win would make him a success.

    Hmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mugbull View Post
    The League Cup isn't too much more relevant than the International Champions Cup they play over in the States in the off-season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco View Post
    Oh no, my trophy wins aren't exciting enough.
    This is coming from Man Utd fans. This is crazy.

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    I enjoyed going to Wembley, Stockholm and Skopje but that doesn't mean the football wasn't anything but turd and laboured. You have to be able to enjoy it and not despise everyone involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mugbull View Post
    I've always thought that is such a weird way of judging success. The only competitions that really matter if you win (as an English team) are the Premier League and Champs league, with the FA Cup a distant 3rd. The League Cup isn't too much more relevant than the International Champions Cup they play over in the States in the off-season.

    And as for the posterity argument, I guarantee more people will remember this Liverpool side - even if they win nothing - than the United side winning Europa or some other big team winning the FA Cup
    Losers will always say winning isn't important.

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    If you're a recent PL follower from abroad, you'll buy into the idea that having buzz around your team is the main goal, as that's what the PL markets globally. Us native fans have been brought up wanting to see our teams win trophies. If you're a fan and you think the FA/League Cups and even Europa League don't matter, then what are you really supporting a team for? To see their bank balance and social media footprint gradually consolidate? Madness.

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    Aye, even with daft things like the Intertoto, if you're in a match to win it, you're in a match to progress further into something else. And the alternative is not winning it. Hell, I'll celebrate our reserves winning the Checkatrade if it came around.

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    I remember chelski one year printed those shirts that had the under 19s league title and the premier league title as a double team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    If you're a recent PL follower from abroad, you'll buy into the idea that having buzz around your team is the main goal, as that's what the PL markets globally. Us native fans have been brought up wanting to see our teams win trophies. If you're a fan and you think the FA/League Cups and even Europa League don't matter, then what are you really supporting a team for? To see their bank balance and social media footprint gradually consolidate? Madness.
    Competition saturation, there are 2 important competitions. You can’t have 5 or 6 of them, there’s just no way. Lol @ the bank balance thing too

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    There is merit in the position that winning things is a good metric of success (obviously) and any trophy is better than no trophies (obviously) but it doesn't follow that trophies are the only metric of success, and that you need to win them to avoid being judged a 'failure'.

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    It depends, surely, on what the people paying you your millions expect. Do Liverpool EXPECT trophies from his current contract?

    Mourinho is probably a failure officially but if the training shirt sponsorships keep rolling in who knows if they actually care.

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    Celtic

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    Ł300m deal agreed in principle. Kenyon's lot are going for it in installments.

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    small team fans bitterly mocking the big boys for being unsatisfied with their moderate success has always annoyed me. everything is relative. i'm a west brom fan who's experienced nowt but years of yo-yoing, except for a few years of mid-table mediocrity, yet i was always empathetic with arsenal fans bemoaning years of failure for example.

    if you can see how your team is being mis-managed it's fucking well annoying regardless of your place in the pyramid. i remember moaning about post-dan ashworth transfer policy and how we were pissing away a decade of shrewd management and my cov supporting mate piped up and sarcastically said "YEAH, must be shit finishing 16th in the prem every season", and i had to say YEAH IT IS, i know your club is in a worse place, but that's not the fucking point.

    i also think people are too quick to assume rival fans have delusions of grandeur, just cus it fits an easy NARRATIVE. i think you'd have to be a bit special to think the majority of west ham and newcastle fans genuinely think their teams "deserve" to be finishing top-4 every season playing swashbuckling, attacking football.

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    I'm so glad the Europa League group stage is over, just the worst. We've had a couple of non-league FA Cup opponents recently that put together a stronger opposition. It was nice to see that Saka kid though just because he seems like a nice boy.

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    I've just seen Olympiakos knocked out Milan last night.

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    And they got done for FFP as well. About time they were given that annual CL spot they are owed.

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    I'm getting soccer withdrawals since the internationals. Is there anything on tonight?

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    West Brom are on tonight.
    I'm a twit

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    I'd rather the withdrawals tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    West Brom are on tonight.
    He's after soccer.

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    And like clockwork I've just found Glenavon v Coleraine live on BBC2. Shit football fix sorted.

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    Well I just learned that Gareth Barry is still a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    It depends, surely, on what the people paying you your millions expect. Do Liverpool EXPECT trophies from his current contract?

    Mourinho is probably a failure officially but if the training shirt sponsorships keep rolling in who knows if they actually care.
    Here is the incredibly petty hill I will die on:

    I'm not living through 9 years of 'Arsenal haven't won a trophy in...' and Arsene Wenger being called a fraud only for Spurs to turn up and get patted on the head because they spend less money and use more youth players than their peers.

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    Yeah but Arsenal started the decade several tiers above Spurs, and now they're on the same level. It's obvious why one has been a success story while the other has been more or less a failure

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    Quote Originally Posted by mugbull View Post
    Yeah but Arsenal started the decade several tiers above Spurs, and now they're on the same level. It's obvious why one has been a success story while the other has been more or less a failure
    Spurs were literally not one iota relevant in the 9 years I'm addressing. Maybe the last one or two when 'Arry turned up but I'm talking the post invincibles to post Van Persie era.

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