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    Football, Tactics and Glory


    http://www.creoteam.com/football-tactics-glory/

    This has a free demo, for anybody curious.

    Might only ever be me, @Sir Andy Mahowry and @Pepe (if he gets it) who post in here but whatever.

    I've now started my first save of the full version. I started as a brand new team and don't have mods, I doubt having a mod to make it real teams would add much to the experience on this.

    So I've created the Welby Wolves:
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    Never noticed my left back (third from the right, middle row) has such shit hair.

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    Sounds interesting enough for me to try the demo. How long do you get to play before you have to pay?

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    Must be a weird game if you don’t think it’d be improved by having real names.
    I'm a twit

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    Promotion in the first season. Some of the more experienced players it starts you with have retired and I'm struggling to create many chances without them so far when I'm against better defenders.

    Quote Originally Posted by Browning View Post
    Sounds interesting enough for me to try the demo. How long do you get to play before you have to pay?
    You get a season which should be more than enough for you to decide if you fancy it or not. And it's RRP is only £15 so it'll probably be super cheap in future sales.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    Must be a weird game if you don’t think it’d be improved by having real names.
    Two things for me: firstly it's just not realistic enough for it to feel like it'd make a difference and secondly I tend to play very lengthy FM/CM games so even there where the real names do make a difference I play more of it without than with.

    I reckon this'd be more like XCOM on this front where you'd gain from being able to name your yoof as they come through.

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    I tried the demo earlier but I couldn't really get into it.

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    Is the Transfer List basically worthless? Everyone on there seems to be shit. Like way shitter than what I already have.

    So far I've won 4 out of 5, the 1 loss being a 4-3 thriller against the league leaders Barnsley. They seemed to score with every attack.

    Just earned 10,000 coins by completing my objective too, but they seem pretty worthless.

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    You get upgrades that improve your knowledge of who's available. I've had players better than my own there in the full version but couldn't afford them. You get that sort of upgrade with the other resource though.

    Coins are for your stadium, youth system, transfers and contracts.

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    Finished the season in 2nd but got booted out the cup in the round of 32 by Blackpool (scraped a lucky 1-1 in the first leg but lost 1-0 in the 2nd).

    Quite enjoyed that, so am tempted to buy the full version next time I feel like losing an evening.

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    I tried the demo but struggled to get into it. I think I am more excited for New Star Soccer Manager

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    I've powered through a few seasons now. Took me ages to get out of the second division.

    Clicked when I started using the specialisations to increase player value, sell and buy better players. Seems to be much better than the training upgrades.

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    I’ll probably jump on the full version of this shortly. I can’t leave West London FC in division 3 forever.

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    I'll buy it next week. The tactics seemed overly simplistic initially but once the players get better the options open up a bit.

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    Oh and there's nothing like selling your only goalkeeper for 1.4m, not replacing him and having to train a 'newgen' green to be a goalkeeper who was hopeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Browning View Post
    Finished the season in 2nd but got booted out the cup in the round of 32 by Blackpool (scraped a lucky 1-1 in the first leg but lost 1-0 in the 2nd).

    Quite enjoyed that, so am tempted to buy the full version next time I feel like losing an evening.
    Basically my first season but Wigan. Once your shirty amateur defenders are up against something resembling a proper attacker things can get a bit hairy.

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    1.4m? Insane money.

    I sold my Goalkeeper for 48,400 because there was one on the transfer list for 2,000 who was only marginally worse. That allowed me to buy a handful of other players, but there wasn't much worth a damn out there. It did however spare me from starting the season with 2 Youth teamers worth 56 and 31 in the lineup (I refused to play the 4 guys who were retiring in a couple of months).

    First 9 games in Division 3 have been tough but a 2-0 win away at run away leaders Peterborough has given us a 3-3-3 record and left us 3 points above the drop zone and 5 behind the promotion places. The downside is I just don't seem to have many players who are actually useful. Probably my best players currently are:

    Tabard- Signed for 12,000 and plays as a Sweeper currently. Defense stat of 30. Nothing amazing but currently worth 50,000 so at least I can cash in if needed, but he's my best defender so likely wont for a while.

    Staneven- Started in the team and worth 126,000 (my highest). Passing stat of 50, easily the highest stat of any player in my team. Need to find a way to get him more involved in games really.

    Wann- Another player I started with and currently worth 94,000. His 21 accuracy is poor but his 37 control is the highest in my team which means he can be useful for holding the ball up when needed.

    Tripe- My main striker, also started in the squad and worth 90,000. Has 29 goals in 26 games for me. Accuracy of 44 being the main attribute for him.

    Desperately need to find some better players, mainly defenders if I'm going to be competitive.

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    I’m probably gonna end up with this.
    I'm a twit

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    As I said, don't bother with doing the attribute training (top right) but go for the one that increases player value.

    You get more fans, more money from sponsors and player values shoot up.

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    I’m assuming you mean bottom left then (the ones that are about gaining fans/money).

    I’ve been doing top left and then top right so far.

    None of my players seem to have skills which is so shit. Even the few that do are shit at using them.

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    Yeah I'm skill-light now the experienced dudes I started with are gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Browning View Post
    I’m assuming you mean bottom left then (the ones that are about gaining fans/money).

    I’ve been doing top left and then top right so far.

    None of my players seem to have skills which is so shit. Even the few that do are shit at using them.
    Yeah, do the bottom left.

    The players you get now are shit and won't be worth your time. Get the bottom left tree maxed out, sell and buy better players for cheaper.

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    Sounds like a plan, although I'm not convinced there will ever be anyone better on the Transfer list.

    I finished 5th in my 2nd season which was disappointing. My fitness was gone for the last few games and we were shitting out 0-0 draws where even one win would likely have been enough to take us up. Oh well, we go again.

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    Christ this is hard. Not won a single game.
    I'm a twit

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    Well as things stand I'm probably going down in my second season. Not only can I barely win a match, I can barely even win a fucking RNG roll during these matches. I had a string in that last match where I had 15+ advantage prior to the roll and still lost. I'm seething.

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    Yep, I was having that same issue for a while last season and I was fuming as well.

    Team seems a lot stronger this season. I was on the cusp of a 0-0 draw against Carlisle (one of the big fish in the league along with Wigan (not played yet) and Plymouth (I beat them 1-0) but chucked it away when all I had to do was move 3 guys aimlessly. Instead I went for the win, went for a tackle, fouled him and conceded the free kick. Other than that and a dull 0-0 on the opening day we've been perfect though, recording my biggest win against York (5-0) in the process.

    Played 8, Won 6, Drawn 1, Lost 1, Scored 13, Conceded 1

    A defender who was injured for the run in last season is bossing it this year, and a midfielder i signed seems to be making a world of difference. Unfortunately I'm having a striker injury crisis which I'm sure will cost me sooner rather than later.

    Currently in a 3 way tie with Wigan and Carlisle (I'm top on GD) at the top with Preston 3 points behind.

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    I'll persevere until the end of the season. has much changed for your team this year / have you changed anything?

    I'm almost certainly going down. I have less fans than I started with. I just don't have the strikers/Acc to seem able to make any decent shots and I don't know why every fucking goalkeeper is so far ahead of my attackers, even for the other "shit" teams.

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    I've not really changed anything major. I focus almost entirely on the "Control" stat for every player and then Defending for Defenders (obviously), Defending/Passing for MF and Accuracy for Strikers, but Control really seems to be the key one. I like to have my 2 highest control players playing 1 in Midfield and 1 up front (even if he's not a striker) so that I can hold the ball up and hope not to lose it on my opponents turn (even better if I can draw a foul and get a Free Kick/Penalty). I have a Midfielder with high control who is getting games up front whenever my high control striker needs a rest and it seems to be working ok. I can very rarely dribble past a defender though, for whatever reason, and I've never even attempted a cross.

    The sweeper seems to be essential too for mopping up anything that comes into the box.

    As soon as I made the previous post I lose to bottom of the table Salford . But I followed it up with a 1-0 win over promotion rivals Preston. Thankfully Tripe returned to the team and the score sheet because we looked lost without him.

    Crunch game away at Wigan next will take us to the half way point.

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    523 is apparently the best formation.

    Also, the first 2 seasons or so after the first are such dicks.

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    Better call it a night I guess, but I'm proper hooked on this season.

    Made it to the Quarter Finals of the cup beating Wigan and Bristol City (who were the league above me) before crashing out on penalties to Reading after 2 awful 0-0 draws.

    Signed a striker from Pompey named Newnham who is my new top striker in terms of accuracy. I could have sold Tripe for 4 times the price but decided to keep both and sold a lesser striker to cover the fee. I also sold a bunch of fringe players to bring in the best defender I've seen so far (57 Def stat). It means we have no depth whatsoever but our starting 11 is stronger.

    We seem to be in a 4 Horse Race for the 3 promotion places. Here is how we stand after 17 of 22 games:

    Wigan- 38
    West London- 36
    Carlisle- 36
    - - - - - - - -
    Preston- 35
    Oxford- 26

    So yea, I can't see anyone else troubling us. Would love it if one of those others would drop off though.

    Newnham has bagged 7 goals in his 3 league games for us so far, but couldn't find the net against Reading in the cup. Tripe with his 17 in 19 for the season should be safe for our top scorer.... maybe...

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    I had some success getting my wingbacks to make runs behind the defenders and then only have the 'keeper to beat. Might be worth trying if you have shit strikers.

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    Finally got promoted to the premiership but I'm getting battered.

    Sold my left forward for 2.5m and bought someone better for 1.5m but the transfer list is a dick. The best players are 5m plus and the ones that would help me aren't available when I have the money.

    Getting mad cash though especially after paying to upgrade my stadium to fit 5k of my 30k fans.

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    Mahow may have it on the flog-and-buy method of squad building.

    I'm making some inroads now. Still in the relegation zone but three points off safety. A great escape might be ON.

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    Only just realised my 5 game run in (see previous post) includes games against all 3 of our promotion rivals. We've just brushed aside Carlisle 3-0 before stumbling past Westminster 1-0. Carlisle faced Wigan and lost that one too. We're now 6 points above them with 3 to play, but 2 of those are Preston and Wigan, and we have a massive injury crisis. Hopefully we can see this out...

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    So close to finishing in a spot for Europe

    I was second with about 10 games left but then we couldn't buy a win and we slipped to tenth.

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    Here is my team right now:



    I also have 5.6m in the bank but there's no one on my transfer list that is worth it.

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    Won promotion with easy by brushing aside Salford and then Preston. Unfortunately drew 1-1 with Wigan on the final day to miss out on the title by 2 points, but oh well, happy with 2nd.

    Newnham ended up scoring 14 goals in 9 games for us this season, whereas Tripe bagged 18 in 24.

    A whole bunch of my players earned bonuses at the end of the season, many more than I've seen in the past:

    Tripe- 4th top scorer in the league and 10th top scorer in the cup.
    Newnham- 6th top scorer in the League.
    Staneven- 2nd most assists in the League.
    Roebuck- 4th most assists in the League.
    Wann- 8th most assists in the League.
    Tabard- 2nd most tackles in the League.
    Firebrace (who was fucking green when I signed him) 3rd most tackles in the league.
    Colthard- 4th most tackles in the League
    Carless- 3rd most saves in the League, 4th most saves in the cup.

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    Just bought a 17 year old sweeper with 108 defending

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    Of my list above Tripe, Roebuck, Tabard and Colthard were all sold in the summer which was basically the spine of my team. The new lot have won our opening 2 games though, including a win over "Big London FC" who are not only the best team in the league, but I'm assuming our arch enemies too. We won 1-0 with Newnham finishing a 1 on 1 when his chances were something like 58 Vs 122... what a man.

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    "Second League" really is a slog. After 13 games (50%) by record is 4 wins, 6 draws and 3 losses with 9 scored and 8 conceded. Most of our games are 0-0 with my strikers having no chance of beating the keeper. Seems like mid-table mediocrity is nailed on.

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    2nd year in the "Second League" and at the half way point we have one less point than we did last year (Won 5, Drawn 2, Lost 6, Scored 10, Conceded 14). The goals conceded is obviously the big difference. Skills seem so broken. My players still have none (or if they do, it's fucking shit) where as other teams tackle me with 100% accuracy, pass it straight through my team without using actions and then tap into an open net half the time. Fucking bullshit.

    Starting to make some OK money though so hopefully in January we can try and strengthen.

    Edit- Finished in 10th, 1 place lower than last season. It didn't help that our big money striker was injured for the entire 2nd half of the campaign and that Newnham really isn't cut out for this level. Having no one to reliably score goals fucked us big time. There were some teams, Bradford for example, we couldn't compete with at all (Lost 5-0 away and 4-0 at home). Luckily there were a handful of teams not good enough for the division where we could score almost at will.

    Renewing contracts is getting expensive and I'm being forced to settle for 1 year deals a lot of the time. I feel we're slowly strengthening the team. Current 11 is:

    GK: Sevier (78 defending)- Bought for 374,000, Spent 73,500 on contracts, Worth 553,000
    Sw: Lovell (58 defending)- Bought for 6,400, Spent 8,800 on Contracts, Worth 113,000
    Def: Clark (73 Defending)- Bought just now for 283,000
    Def: Parson (50 Defending)- Bought for 21,600, Spent 10,900 on Contracts, Worth 121,000
    Def: Austin (62 Defending)- Bought for 140,000, Spent 121,000 on Contracts, Worth 213,000
    MF: Murch (79 Passing)- Bought for 335,000, Spent 96,800 on Contracts, Worth 418,000
    MF: Armer (60 Passing, 33 Control)- Bought for 136,000, Worth 153,000
    MF: Bew (50 Passing)- Bought just now for 55,200, small downgrade on last season which netted me about 50k
    ST: Veale (42 Defending, 52 Control)- Bought for 133,000, Spent 100,000 on Contracts, Worth 154,000
    ST: Gildersleeve (81 Accuracy, 42 Control)- Bought for 290,000, Spent 85,000 on Contracts, Worth 281,000
    ST: Newnham (68 Accuracy)- Bought for 51,000, Spent 18,000 on Contracts, Worth 262,000

    Veale is a defender but I play him up front for his control (highest in the team) to try and hold the ball up. It often fails at this level. Gildersleeve was injured so much last year it killed his value. Newnham may need to be sold to renew some MF contracts if he doesn't become more useful. He only managed 3 goals in 28 games in our first season at this level and 15 in 31 last season. To be fair though that's basically the same as Gildersleeve (8 in 15).

    I feel like my way of playing currently is too simplistic. Basically get the ball to Murch, pick a long pass to Gildersleeve and then miss. I'm still yet to work out who the fuck crossing works, or ever have anyone on the wings to do it. I also feel I probably need to stick a Midfielder in goal to win the ball back, maybe.
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    Decided to start a second save as I saw a Game of Thrones inspired league mod in the workshop so I've decided to become ruler of the Blackwood.

    Here is the team:



    League consists of Hightower, Morrigen, Grandison, Tallhart, Mormont, Waynwood and Sparr.

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    Our lord, Tytos, coming up big in our debut game.

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    Fuck the RNG in this at times.

    35 v 3 to score a goal, my striker rolls a fucking 1 and the keeper rolls a 3.

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    Third season in this division and at the half way point... we're 2 points worse off than last year. We're going backwards. Just zero idea how to progress from here right now.

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    I’ve no inclination to resume my demo game so it’s safe to say I won’t be buying this. It’s too hard; you just get thrown in with no idea of what works better than something else and very little help in working towards improving.
    I'm a twit

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    With my original save, last night I managed to scrape second in the Premiership. Used the money well but we're in a relegation scrap and out of Europe in the group stage ffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    I’ve no inclination to resume my demo game so it’s safe to say I won’t be buying this. It’s too hard; you just get thrown in with no idea of what works better than something else and very little help in working towards improving.
    I've no interest in evangelising games I love to those who don't but the game tells you almost everything you need to know. There's very little I've learned that hasn't just been me appreciating the practical aspect of something I remembered the theory of from the tutorial-y stuff.
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    No idea where “midfielder in goal” can’t from in my previous post, you can tell I’m sleep deprived. I meant a defender in midfield.

    That said the third midfielder feels worthless so if I find a good defender may move to 5-2-3.

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    4-3-3 is for the amateur league/when your players are absolute turd, 5-2-3 is the way after that though.

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    Where specifically do you play them? 5 in a line or 4 with a sweeper?

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    I like a sweeper but I think apparently a bank of 5 is better.

    Upfront I go LF-ST-RF.

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