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Thread: Zidane's Volley vs Bale's Bicycle Kick

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    Zidane's Volley vs Bale's Bicycle Kick

    Who scored the better Champions League final goal?

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    Zidane, no doubt.

    Overhead kicks, cool as they are, are massively overrated. The player basically throws himself in the air and hopes for the best.

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    Players attempt volleys all the time and they get sky’d. Overheads are more rarely attempted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Zidane, no doubt.

    Overhead kicks, cool as they are, are massively overrated. The player basically throws himself in the air and hopes for the best.
    No, shit players hope for the best. A skilled player knows exactly what they're trying to do.

    Bale's is better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SincereTheRebel View Post
    Players attempt volleys all the time and they get sky’d.
    Which is what makes Zidane's impressive.

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    Zidane. The way he pivots and the control needed to place that volley is just incredible.

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    On rewatching both I’ve changed my mind. Bales was better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    On rewatching both I’ve changed my mind. Bales was better.
    I'm exactly the same. I came in here fully expecting to say Zidane's, but it just isn't.

    Oh and there's nothing more retarded than the "bicycle kicks have an element of luck in them" argument. These aren't kids twatting around on a park, they're professionals who practice day in day out for decades.

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    Any spectacular goal has an element of good luck about it. Roberto Carlos’ ‘banana freekick’ isn’t any less outstanding because he put 9/10 in to the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Any spectacular goal has an element of good luck about it. Roberto Carlos’ ‘banana freekick’ isn’t any less outstanding because he put 9/10 in to the wall.
    I think luck is completely the wrong word, is basically my point.

    Just because you can't do something 100% of the time doesn't make it lucky when you do pull it off.

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    I think Bales.

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    I don't think his is even better than the Juventus one from last year, which was more controlled, a cleaner strike, and more 'unsaveable'.

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    Bale. You can practice those a bit more than the overheads. As for 'hit and hope', nobody goes up for one thinking it's going wide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    I'm exactly the same. I came in here fully expecting to say Zidane's, but it just isn't.

    Oh and there's nothing more retarded than the "bicycle kicks have an element of luck in them" argument.
    Intent to do something and correct execution of it. The more precise your intent is, the harder it will be to execute it to perfection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    I don't think his is even better than the Juventus one from last year, which was more controlled, a cleaner strike, and more 'unsaveable'.
    Rooney's versus City and even Andy Carrol's were better (technique-wise) overhead kicks.

    Bale's, whilst a great strike, was more of a hopeful welly and was against a keeper who appeared to be having some form of mild seizure throughout the match.

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    Rooney's vs. City came off his shin, no? That's lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoul Duke View Post
    Rooney's versus City and even Andy Carrol's were better (technique-wise) overhead kicks.

    Bale's, whilst a great strike, was more of a hopeful welly and was against a keeper who appeared to be having some form of mild seizure throughout the match.
    Can someone get a pooper scooper to shovel up this shite please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    Rooney's vs. City came off his shin, no? That's lucky.
    A little, perhaps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpSwJWr-hMI but more so that it was played in from deep and shot back across goal - genuinely unsaveable.

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    Spot the scummer.

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    Turns out Rooney has scored both types of strikes


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    That was a monster strike too.

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    Ah, when Rooney used to routinely score amazing goals.

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    That's my favourite Rooney goal, purely because he's arguing with the referee just seconds before blasting it home.
    I'm a twit

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    Zidane's.

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    Bale’s, easily. Zidane was twatting it and hoping for the best too

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    Bale's on the basis that that he was dealing with a fast cross anyone would just be happy to connect with vs. the perfect set up Zidane had for a volley.

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    I went for Zidane's just on the simple fact that I've seen goals resemble the one that Bale scored, while Zidane's is more rare in my opinion.

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    Zidane all day long. The height from which the ball dropped and the power/precision needed to score are absurd. Not even on his favoured foot either.

    Bale's was a brilliant execution of a long odds wager. Zidane was in total control.

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    Zidane's was with his weaker foot too

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    And he wasn't using his stronger foot.

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    I didn't see Zidane's live and it's always hard to compare goals that you did/didn't see at the time. Bale's was spectacular and that colours my impression of it (not that the technique isn't outstanding). Difficulty wise, I think Zidane's edges it - partly because it's on his weaker foot but also because the ball's coming from so high up which makes it so hard to direct and make a clean contact with.

    Bale's has both the spectacular, unexpected, 'moment you don't forget' factor and perfect technique, which ranks it above goals like Rooney's shinner.

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    Zidanes is more technique and Bales is more physique (I couldn't picture Zidane doing that, for instance).


    I like Zidanes more, because calm feats of technique in football get me going. Like that Bergkamp goal against Newcastle I think.

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    Is Bale’s not tarnished by the fact the goalkeeper was having the worst game of his life?
    I'm a twit

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    No

    Bales wasn't exactly something he "should have saved"

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    Mmm... back to Zidane's goal after multiple watches.

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    Bale's get better every time you watch it. The height he got from the poor(ish) cross, moving away from goal.

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    The thing is both of them are really sweet as well because of other aspects.

    Zidanes is nice because he's Zidane, and pretty much everyone likes Zidane (at least as a player).

    Bales is nice because he comes off the bench off of a bit of a shit season and does that with like his second touch or something right in front of Ronaldo who's done fuck all all game, and pretty much everyone dislikes Ronaldo.


    And both goals were in Finals. If we're going to take a look at all goals having been scored in the CL, then it's probably some scorcher from Brazilian Bob in a random game between Dynamo Soviet and FC SchaafenFrüffen.

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    Bale for me. Zidane has all the time in the world to watch the ball fall to his foot.

    Bale has to make a split second decision to throw himself up and at a ball that was played behind him and places it perfectly.

    Easy for me, tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruhnaldo View Post
    Bale for me. Zidane has all the time in the world to watch the ball fall to his foot.

    Bale has to make a split second decision to throw himself up and at a ball that was played behind him and places it perfectly.

    Easy for me, tbh.
    From the moment the ball leaves Carlos' foot it's about 0.5 seconds for him to watch it and place it.

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    Ball fall to his foot.

    Places it perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    From the moment the ball leaves Carlos' foot it's about 0.5 seconds for him to watch it and place it.
    It's a solid 2-3 seconds, an eternity compared to Bale who, as soon as the ball left Marcelo's foot, has to start coming back to meet it and throws himself skyward at it out of basic instinct.

    You could make the argument that Zidane's could be more impressive because he had time to think about it and I find often when you have time to think about something in sport you can often get stuck in between two ideas and flub it entirely. Bale made up his mind from the jump and went straight for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    Ball fall to his foot.

    Places it perfectly.
    The ball is sent skyward 20 yards in the air, he literally stands and watches it fall down to his foot.

    Bale puts the ball top corner, a perfect placement that no one would've saved.

    I'm not saying he placed it there, I'm saying he managed to put the ball in that sweet spot whilst coming back to the ball and contorting his body to meet the ball above his head.

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    A ball coming straight out of the sky from that height is considerably harder to judge and hit well than you seem to think it is.

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    There's something really unique about Zidane's, but I think Bale's is a better goal. It's incredible the amount of pace he gets on the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mokbull View Post
    Bale’s, easily. Zidane was twatting it and hoping for the best too
    The only time Zidane ever just twatted it was that time against Materazzi.

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    Where is Ronaldo in the celebration? What exactly was he doing in that time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    A ball coming straight out of the sky from that height is considerably harder to judge and hit well than you seem to think it is.
    I'm not saying it isn't. I'm saying in comparison to what Gareth Bale did, Gareth Bale's goal was more impressive.

    In a vacuum Zidane's goal is fucking amazing. When you consider it next to Bale's, given all of the factors I've already mentioned with regards to his goal, I consider Bale's to be of a greater difficulty.

    Never once have I said what he done isn't difficult in the slightest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoonsky View Post
    Where is Ronaldo in the celebration? What exactly was he doing in that time?
    If I remember rightly he was grinning like a loon (not the bird) as soon as it went in.

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    It looks fairly straightforward to replicate the Zidane goal. That Bale goal looks much more complicated. Sounds like there is a youtube series in that somewhere.

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    And how many goals like Zidane's has there been?

    I can think of several better similar goals than Bale's goal instantly. The only difference is the stage and point in the match.

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