Yes. You are. Sticking your fingers in your ears and going LA LA LA like you always do doesn't make you right.Originally Posted by Pepe
Yes. You are. Sticking your fingers in your ears and going LA LA LA like you always do doesn't make you right.
This does not prove your point in any way. Try again.
I mean, it does. Manifestly so.
How does Biles figure in the Larry Nassar tale? From the Netflix documentary anyone who taddled essentially had thier careers ended. Was she too good to throw under the bus or was he not a fan of chocolate?
Provide us with some graphs or statistics and we'll proceed from there.
And if you need more Dave. 'Kids' spend more time on social media than anyone, social media is full of things telling people to talk about their mental health, yet self harm rates in kids are through the roof.
Social media is also full of other things, like communities of kids advocating self-harm and sharing photos.
And social media is also full of stuff telling kids to self harm and kill themselves.
https://time.com/5572394/suicide-contagion-study/
Suicide rather than self-harm, but the idea isn't without merit.
I don't know why you need me to provide anything, everywhere you look backs this up. Did you genuinely think they were going down?
Nowhere near as much as you can't put that sort of stuff on Facebook and expect it to be there for long. I can leave a 'positive' mental health meme up forever.
That's not the point. You're implying that campaigns trying to take the stigma away from mental health either don't help or make it worse just because the numbers are going up. Correlation =/= causation. Things may be far worse without those campaigns. I accept they may not, but what you are providing isn't evidence.
'Having conversations' seems to be the suggested solution for most things these days.
No. I'm a lazy bastard and wanted some sort of timeframe to it all.
100% this.
Nah you are completely wrong. It's extremely easy to find your way into communities advocating self-harm, suicide, eating disorders, etc etc etc. if you are any way inclined to having thoughts/feelings about such things. Just because they aren't posted on open facebook pages/groups doesn't mean they aren't there. It's absolutely rife, particularly among teenage girls.
The point is not how long a post stays on a social media website but how long it stays in the mind of a vulnerable person with mental health problems.
If these campaigns were actually working do you not think the numbers would be going down? And if it would be far worse than the shocking state it's already in without these campaigns (and they are therefore working), what as yet unidentified cause is driving that?
So if we know this stuff is readily available and widerife, why the hell is it still there and why are we not focusing on getting rid of it instead of posting useless memes?
Do we need it to be there so we have a reason to post the memes?
Social Media seems to be a key contributer to absolutely every negative in the world at the moment and I've no hesitation in believing it is with Mental Health problems too.
It's probably far more complex than that though.
Not necessarily, not if there are equally/more influential negative forces acting against it.
I'd imagine it's a combination of lots of things. Social media possibly amongst them. There are plenty of reasons postulated, but I'm sure nobody could give you a comprehensive and definitive answer. That doesn't mean there isn't an answer.
Useless memes on the Internet might not help but a high profile celebrity talking about her mental health has a much better chance of doing so.
If this forum were dedicated to promoting self-harm do you think anyone external would be policing it?
It "hides" in the just-under-the-surface places like forums, invite-only groups on social media, stuff going round on snapchat etc. etc. But if you want to find it it's very easy. All the kids we get in with eating disorders are deep into it.
I don't know. Demi Lovato just sounds like more and more of a stupid cunt every time she does.
It.
The bolded bit is absolutely key and seems to play into the hands of something that is plaguing modern society, which is that rather than go to the source of the problem we either frig about the edges or do something else.
And mental health seems rife for this. Stressed at work? Are you exercising or eating well enough at home.
It's absolutely bonkers and I can only assume it's being done because people either don't want to address the root causes (less stressful working environments) or don't want to lose the cottage industry that comes from doing something else (memes).
I agree on this. There's a greater visibility on it when Osaka or Biles speak about it. And that feeds back into social media channels.
Going back to what Pepe said about resilience, I can't imagine how hard it is to fashion a generation like that. I think watching my boomer parents probably did me a few favours. They've been dealt some shit and persevered. So should I. Especially when you're young and every new thing feels like the most important/terrifying thing ever. Growing up is scary until it isn't.
I don't really get what point you're making there and how it relates to what I've said.
Last edited by randomlegend; 28-07-2021 at 07:53 PM.
I think it's much more likely there's been a fundamental change in the kind of pressures young people are presented with and how damaging they are than that people have suddenly become massively less resilient in the space of two generations. Humans don't change that much that quickly.
I said I think MHA on social media isn't helping
You said it might be and the self harm stuff is the problem
I said well get rid of that then
You said it's very easy to find
I said (again) why the hell is it still there then?
i.e. If it's very easy for an impressionable child to find, it must be very easy for a social media giant to find and remove.
We let those fuckers get away with murder by the way.
Just because you know something is there doesn't mean it's easy to get rid of.
Why is there any child porn on the internet? JUST REMOVE IT.
No, not necessarily. If a group of kids in a school are all self-harming it's very easy for them to start snap-chatting each other the photos or to form a closed group on some social media platform and discuss it. That doesn't mean it's easy to find and shut down all such groups among the, what, hundreds of millions of groups which exist.
In the case of snap-chat, are you going to start manually screening all photos which are sent out before allowing them through? Because once they've been seen the damage is done.
Child porn isn't on Facebook ffs.
Not openly on people's walls, but it absolute will be. And it will be being shared all over snapchat and whatsapp and instagram and presumably whatever tiktok is as well.
Yeah, all those platforms the young'ns use. They're not on facebook. Their parents will see them.
I'm not going to do anything, I don't work for snap-chat, but snap-chat absolutely should. I don't know why people apologise for them and other social media outlets all of the time. They're businesses and businesses have responsibilities and one of those should not be allowing self harm shit on their platforms.
Well then all social media platforms will cease to exist in any remotely recognisable form. It is simply not feasible to monitor the sheer volume of stuff posted by many orders of magnitude. Then you are into the realms of using AI to recognise and flag it, which comes with all it's own problems. I'm sure you'd also run into a whole host of issues around censorship and freedom of expression if you started saying you were going to review all content before allowing it to be posted.
You might say "good, get rid of social media" which is a perfectly reasonable position to take. But it's not going to happen.
I'm not apologising for them, just recognising the reality.
It's feasible to monitor a lot more stuff than they do, but for some reason people don't expect Facebook to have to hire ten times as many moderators because I don't know they don't make enough money.
Yevrah had a breakdown and tried to start a breakaway invite only forum within TTH because a couple of people said writing a sitcom was hard but Simone Biles, super human multi -gold wining gymnast and sexual abuse victim needs to shut the fuck up and know her place the daft bitch.
Fuck off Yev. Really disappointed tbh.
edit: Will freely admit I might be lumping you in with the actual cunts like Pepe and Lewis here but I'm mad so thems the breaks. I just expect better. My bad if I got the wrong end of the stick.
The biggest obstacle in social media moderation is the fact every cunt has an account. You can't staff enough to moderate millions of people.
The whole thing could be automated pretty well, there's just no money in developing a system to do so.
phonics if we can use the TTH kitty would you be open to taking some reading lessons?
Automation is the worst thing that could ever happen to moderation.
Can we buy you a bit of humanity with the left over change or is 'mega cunt' your permanent setting these days?
You need a human safety net to establish context which ... let's be honest, is difficult to establish on written posts.
Very pleased for Tom Dean and Duncan Scott in the 200m freestyle. Great job lads.
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