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    No that's a second 'exclusive' he wrote off that tweet.

    By the way this whole story came from the same bloke as the '1 in 5 muzzos love the terrorists' sotry that they had to back off from.

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    'What about you, Paul? Do you still play football?'
    'Oh. No. I run a Twitter account now that tracks tabloid corrections.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Voting against English Sunday shopping laws is seriously shitebag behaviour from SNP MPs.

    Although it's some genuinely backwards shit that there are laws against that in the first place.
    They're required, by virtue of being Scottish, to cause as much trouble for the Tories as possible to demonstrate their anti-Tory credentials the "the 45".

    Although I agree with Jim - the trading restrictions should remain in place so there's at least one day a week which isn't given over to rampant consumerist cuntery.

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    According to the World Health Organisation, the UK doesn't have an NHS. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a6923126.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    They're required, by virtue of being Scottish, to cause as much trouble for the Tories as possible to demonstrate their anti-Tory credentials the "the 45".
    Voting on anything that only affects English voters makes them cunts, and worse still cunts who've gone back on their word. They can claim it affects Scottish companies, but if Scottish companies were so badly affected by the English having different laws it would hardly set a great precedent for independence. It's just shitehawk behaviour that's only really explained by what Lewis says.

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    Angus Robertson is basically the leader of the opposition at the moment (vying for that post with Boris Johnson). It's a sorry state of affairs.

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    The SNP are building another case for independence on the back of a 9.7% GDP deficit.

    Another round of this distracting from REAL GOVERNING, then. Christ.

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    I'm sure as a Northern Irish Unionist you have extensive knowledge of Scottish local governance.

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    I know it's a virtual one party state where the governing party run on what amounts to an anti-English ticket and unsustainable promises based on spending increases and no tax increases, except for the inexhaustible mountain of wealth represented by rich people, big business and the closure of tax loopholes. And $120 a barrel.

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    Independence may come, but that cannot be under the SNP - a party whose leaders would sell the Scottish people out in their quest for the personal glory of leading the Scots to FREEDDOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM.

    Their economic arguments are clearly completely bollocks as well, so you can throw around all you want but your conversion to the cause demonstrates, if nothing else, that even supposedly sensible people can be duped if the promises are big enough and the denouncements of 'naysayers' aggressive enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS View Post
    Independence may come, but that cannot be under the SNP - a party whose leaders would sell the Scottish people out in their quest for the personal glory of leading the Scots to FREEDDOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM.

    Their economic arguments are clearly completely bollocks as well, so you can throw around all you want but your conversion to the cause demonstrates, if nothing else, that even supposedly sensible people can be duped if the promises are big enough and the denouncements of 'naysayers' aggressive enough.
    Denouncing from the other side is just as "aggressive", with supposedly sensible people there accepting brain dead nonsense like the suggestion Scotland is a "one party state". I mean, really. At least try to pretend you recognise a nuanced argument.

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    GS moaning about this place being negative as he swans about patronizing anyone who holds an alternate opinion to his. Lol.

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    Facts, mate.

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    Speaking of which, Wee Jimmy had a shocker on Brillo this morning. Again, why subject yourself to it? You know you're going to get molested.

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    I've just watched it. I lolled when she suggested that they'd undertake the same measures as the UK to address their huge fuck off deficit. 'Champions of Scottish socialism' implementing Tory austerity policies. I almost wish they'd voted yes to watch the collective meltdown they'd be in about now.

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    Labour have abstained from voting on the 'Snooper Charter'.

    Fucking disgusting. Bunch of shitty, shitty, shitty cunts.

    Can't believe these fuckers think that a fucking shitty nuclear missile is more important than the BASIC RIGHT TO PRIVACY FOR THE NEXT MILLENIA.

    Oh wait now I remember why, this wasn't relevant in 1980 so why would it be relevant now.

    What a bunch of shits.

    281 to 15. My word. What an embarrassment.

    edit: Oh wait the SNP abstained too? IN THE BIN. GET IN THE FUCKING BIN. YOU NOT ONLY HAND THE COUNTRY A TORY GOVERNMENT BUT THEN YOU PLAN ON FUCKING OVER EVERY ONE OF US AT EVERY TURN. FUCK OFF TO YOUR OWN SHITTY COUNTRY. GET FUCKED.

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    You don't even live here, mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    Labour have abstained from voting on the 'Snooper Charter'.

    Fucking disgusting. Bunch of shitty, shitty, shitty cunts.

    Can't believe these fuckers think that a fucking shitty nuclear missile is more important than the BASIC RIGHT TO PRIVACY FOR THE NEXT MILLENIA.

    Oh wait now I remember why, this wasn't relevant in 1980 so why would it be relevant now.

    What a bunch of shits.

    281 to 15. My word. What an embarrassment.

    edit: Oh wait the SNP abstained too? IN THE BIN. GET IN THE FUCKING BIN. YOU NOT ONLY HAND THE COUNTRY A TORY GOVERNMENT BUT THEN YOU PLAN ON FUCKING OVER EVERY ONE OF US AT EVERY TURN. FUCK OFF TO YOUR OWN SHITTY COUNTRY. GET FUCKED.
    It's still at the first reading. Both Labour and the SNP have strongly opposed various aspects of it and made clear they will not vote in favour of it unless it is significantly amended.

    http://www.parliament.uk/business/pu...nown/309/#c309

    Quote Originally Posted by Joanna Cherry, SNP MP for Edinburgh West
    The SNP joins the MPs from all parties in the House who have grave concerns about many aspects of the Bill. We do not doubt that that the law needs a thorough overhaul and welcome attempts to consolidate a number of statutes in order to have a modern, comprehensive law. We also recognise that the security services and police require adequate powers to fight terrorism and serious crime. However, such powers must always be shown to be necessary, proportionate and in accordance with the law. In particular, powers must not impinge unduly on the right to privacy or the security of private data. We feel that many of the Bill’s powers do not currently pass those tests. For that reason, the SNP cannot give its full support to the Bill in its current form. We intend to join others in the House to ensure that the Bill is as extensively amended as possible. We shall be abstaining today, but if the Bill is not amended to our satisfaction, we reserve the right to vote against it at a later stage.

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    It's budget day, and Jezza is asking questions about air pollution. Come on, lad.

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    When you've had to bin your forecasts from six months ago because they're now forty billion(!) out, why have another crack at predicting the next five years? You twat.

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    Because nobody remembers/cares other than today.

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    He's taxed sugar. He's fucking taxed sugar.

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    Surprised he's stuck with the freeze on fuel duty but I guess there was too much political pressure to do any differently.

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    Lifetime ISA sounds decent. The headline stuff in the past couple of budgets has all suited me very well on a selfish personal level.

    This about covers it from a broader perspective though:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Surprised he's stuck with the freeze on fuel duty but I guess there was too much political pressure to do any differently.
    If he raises that then the Sun and Mail go into open rebellion regardless of the merits, something he can't afford with Boris on whatever passes for manoeuvres in his strange world.

    I think he should tax wanking next. Our children could use that time to learn skills so we can win the global race.

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    I don't think Osborne even announced this one in his speech, which is a bit odd as it actually seems very generous:

    Help to Save
    1.113 To help the people who find it hardest to save, the government will introduce a new Help to Save scheme for those on low incomes who wish to regularly set aside some of their income. The scheme will be open to 3.5 million adults in receipt of Universal Credit with minimum weekly household earnings equivalent to 16 hours at the National Living Wage, or those in receipt of Working Tax Credit.91 It will work by providing a 50% government bonus on up to £50 of monthly savings into a Help to Save account. The bonus will be paid after two years with an option to save for a further two years, meaning that people can save up to £2,400 and benefit from government bonuses worth up to £1,200. People will be able to use the funds in any way they wish.

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    The government having to help people save money is such a massive admission of general failure.

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    It's fucking pointless when housing will cost far more (and increase quicker) than Little Johnny Help-To-Save will ever put away, because Gideon's sat on his hands again because he can't go after pensions and housing.

    Instead he decides to deprive plebs of Mars Bars. Right.

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    It only applies to drinks. The reasoning (according to the BBC) is that even the thickos who apparently mainline Pepsi know not to eat loads of chocolate. Who has ever got fat (or at least fat enough for it to fuck them over) from fizzy drinks? Being fat requires a sustained campaign of eating too much and doing shit all.

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    It's probably just to annoy Scotland by putting up the cost of Irn Bru.

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    You know, I could easily cut and paste my criticism of previous budgets and apply them to this one, also adding "told you so".

    Tory scum still chasing their tails as they pretend not to realise that austerity measures stalls growth, and tax cuts for the wealthy are paid for by in this case, disabled people.

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    Tax cuts for the wealthy shouldn't always be represented as 'tax cuts for the wealthy' as if it's going to lead to a decrease in tax intake. It's about getting the optimum tax percentage to maximise intake, and if that's 40% instead of 45% (for the sake of argument) then I don't see why anyone, for ideological reasons, should be advocating otherwise.

    I would note that Labour have even less credibility on economic matters than Gideon and his mates.

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    You can 'note' that Gideon is the reincarnation of Elvis if you like. In fact, you might as well.

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    That's not to say Gideon's not a cunt, by the way. It seems the backbenches are threatening rebellion over some of the measures from yesterday. You have to wonder how many tactical retreats he can get away with before he realises he's already backed himself into a wall.

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    He's not going to balance the books, he's not actually achieved the goals of austerity outside of annoying Gray Fox and he's spent more than he's cut the last 2 budgets.

    He's an absolute failure.

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    The 'goals of austerity' are to re-shape the state under the cover of crisis-management. He's done that at least. Everything else is still bollocks, because he's shit and a coward; but then we probably prefer having some twat just bungling along, protecting pensioners and property-owners, if it means not having to take any real TOUGH DECISIONS (which could be full communism, before Henners thinks I'm associating reform with what I personally prefer).

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    Apparently the latest Yougov poll has Labour on 34 and the Tories on 33.

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    Neatly coinciding with the period Corbz has been in the news least since his election...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    Apparently the latest Yougov poll has Labour on 34 and the Tories on 33.
    That's massively out of line with anything else. If Corbyn gets within fifteen points of the Tories in the next election, assuming he's still in charge, I'll be surprised.

    EDIT: Didn't realise ICM had them level too.

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    ICM wrote that poll off as an outlier. The government, after six years, shouldn't be exercising close to double-digit leads over the main opposition, so some closing would be expected. One thing to consider is that we're not currently in 'election mode', therefore there's no sustained bashing of the Labourite record on the economy or Corbyn's lol-worthy foreign policy views to antagonise Average Joe Voter into voting for the Tories because "communism, mate". The Tories are too busy arguing amongst themselves at the minute.

    I imagine the gap will open again after the local elections see Labour get routed in Scotland, alongside what is likely to be a weak as fuck showing from Corbyn and the wider leadership during the EU referendum campaign.

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    Ed spent most of the last parliament in some sort of lead, and that ended well for him. Corbyn will take them well below 200 seats if allowed to continue, which alas is doubtful.

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    Also that. The Labour / SNP coalition attack line will hold in the next election too, assuming the Scots haven't cried FREEDOM and tried to secede again. Throw in boundary changes and Labour really are going nowhere.

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    I only posted it because it was interesting and not in any kind of trumphal, tribalist way but it's nice to see the board Tories rallying to explain it away.

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    I'm looking forward to the day that the most sustained opposition to the Tories comes from the opposition party and not their own backbenchers. Tory I may be, but credible opposition to prevent governmental excess is never a bad thing.

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    For all the damage it does to the political process, the one good thing about the Conservatives coasting the next election is that I won't feel compelled to vote for them.

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    Researchers on government grants are no longer able to lobby the government:

    http://boingboing.net/2016/03/17/rat...ml#more-452920

    The UK government has passed rules banning academics who receive public funding from "lobbying" ministers and MPs about their research, meaning that the people whom the government pays to acquire expertise in matters of public policy aren't allowed to speak to policy-makers anymore.
    Good job!

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    Looks like they're going to u-turn on these disability cuts.

    So how are they planning on paying for that 8% decrease in Capital Gains?

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    Again, a decrease may a) increase tax intake by discouraging legitimate avoidance and b) encourage increased tax intake by encouraging sales where otherwise the asset would be held onto.

    A tax cut isn't always there to "help the wealthy" - it's about maximising tax intake.

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    I sometimes let myself think that these U-TURNS are planned in advance so that people only focus on one aspect of the budget, after which the rest of its shit sails through relatively unscathed, and nobody gets around to lolling at another round of missed targets until about May when nobody cares.

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