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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    If they do move to Ireland then I would be happy for Boydy and his newfound wealth.
    Some of them already do. And personally I'd prefer that our government stopped catering to them and focused on local industry instead.

    Also, the Michigan result.

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    Hilary's LIES about the auto bailout must have backfired.

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    This article on the 'Obama Doctrine' is pretty mega.

    Obama generally believes that the Washington foreign-policy establishment, which he secretly disdains, makes a fetish of “credibility”—particularly the sort of credibility purchased with force. The preservation of credibility, he says, led to Vietnam. Within the White House, Obama would argue that “dropping bombs on someone to prove that you’re willing to drop bombs on someone is just about the worst reason to use force.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    This article on the 'Obama Doctrine' is pretty mega.



    His thoughts on the DC Think Tanks are pretty boss too.

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    That is good. I read an article in the Wall Street Journal today (sorry paper not Internet) that looked at exit polling in the Michigan Democratic primary. It argued Sanders won every group but two: African Americans and Democrats. We are such a stupid political party.

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    After learning yesterday that Bernie is both a communist and a republican I don't know what to think anynore.

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    He can conceivably be the de facto leader of a party he still refuses to join. Voted there by people who have also not joined that party. With all the "the establishment have rigged the process" talk on both sides, this is an amusing election.

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    To be fair, the Democratic establishment *have* literally rigged their process specifically to stop a candidate like Sanders getting past someone more..."reasonable". Ahem.

    It is rather silly that so many states allow "independents" to have big says in their primaries, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    This article on the 'Obama Doctrine' is pretty mega.



    I don't know enough about Obama's presidency - I need to read much more around this, I think. It'll probably be a while before there's a worthwhile 'authoritative' account of his two terms.

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    The Donald is in St. Louis. The rally was at noon and there were already too many people at 8am.

    Then this lot showed up:




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    Quote Originally Posted by elth View Post
    To be fair, the Democratic establishment *have* literally rigged their process specifically to stop a candidate like Sanders getting past someone more..."reasonable". Ahem.

    It is rather silly that so many states allow "independents" to have big says in their primaries, though.
    Yup. It's funny, Republicans are actually probably better at democracy than Democrats are. In Utah Republicans can caucus through an online process now, while Democrats have to be in town (which sucks for me and all of the other kids going on spring break).

    It's because Republicans need to maximize their voter turnout in order to have a chance at winning elections.

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    Wanted to force my mother to go vote for Bernie but missed the one month deadline.

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    That's the sort of fecklessness that President Trump will chuck you all out for.

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    Okay, Trump winning would result in a civil war. Pass the popcorn.

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    Fucking hell.

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    That's absolutely brilliant.

    That she will win truly enrages me.

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    I saw that earlier.

    It is fucking infuriating that she's going to win. I'm so sick of seeing people supporting her and then throwing the 'old white man' jibe at Sanders.

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    Surely she's better than the alternative?

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    I'm talking about the Democratic nomination, although presumably she will win the whole thing in the end. Surely America isn't crazy enough to elect Trump?

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    How the fuck does Clinton get away with that?

    I hope they indict her, and either Sanders or Biden gets the nomination in a brokered convention. She's fucking awful.

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    If it is a Clinton/Trump election, I'm going to be buying a job lot of Donald wigs and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN hats. She must lose.

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    What I'm wondering is, if/when Clinton gets the Democratic nomination, who will the Bernie supporters vote for? She's everything they stand against. Trump's "revolutionist" style is far closer to the one Sanders pushes than anything Clinton wants.

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    The Democrats will vote for Hillary. The independents will probably split 3 ways - some will vote for Clinton, some for the Republican nomination, especially if it's Trump, and some won't vote.

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    mikem (I think) once suggested that 'Hillary' gets away with it because the mentals spent so long throwing shit at her over relatively trivial things that legitimate criticism just looks like more of the same. So that's another thing they've fucked themselves over with.

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    She 'gets away with it' just like every other politician does (except the quite excellent Bernie of course.) Everyone is so used to eating the bullshit that they can't even smell it anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    mikem (I think) once suggested that 'Hillary' gets away with it because the mentals spent so long throwing shit at her over relatively trivial things that legitimate criticism just looks like more of the same. So that's another thing they've fucked themselves over with.
    That's quite true. You can dismiss any attack on her or her character as a Republican move and be done with it. The GOP is a big, fat mess.

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    Yes, I've often thought the same in British politics. Generally speaking, Labour are too busy throwing shit at every Tory policy that when certain ones do deserve massive ire, it's just written off as more whinging.

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    In a similar vein, since everyone is focusing on Trump being a MASSIVE RACIST, Cruz and Rubio are getting away with all kinds of shit.

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    You need to get over this Marco Rubio thing lad.

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    Lol at him claiming he doesn't use contraception.

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    Kasich 2016.

    Internet getting het up about Cruz appearing at a conference for killing all the gays.

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    Hillary gets away with Benghazi because of the constant yelling. The effect just wears off after a while. We are numb to it. That is why I believe why will beat any Republican.

    The other is just American politics, Bernie does it just as much. The entire "super predator" issue is one that he knows is just as false (Carol Moseley Braun was behind that part of the Crime Bill.) She doesn't get away with it; it cost her Michigan and she was winning / close to Obama before she pulled the most racist ad in recent memory.

    I'm obviously old because she is a scumbag but I just can't see the appeal of President Corbyn.

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    That's great.

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    Literally loling.

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    Fucking hell.

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    That's quite superb.

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    Strong start by Bernie there, I reckon.

    Edit: Couple of times that twat looked generally miffed at his responses.

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    I love the idea of Bernie Sanders as President.

    I dread the idea of him losing to Trump in the general election, whereas you'd think that Clinton would be a lock against Trump if they both win the nomination.

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    Sanders and Trump are the only two with charisma so I hope that's the general for entertainment purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalAussie View Post
    I dread the idea of him losing to Trump in the general election, whereas you'd think that Clinton would be a lock against Trump if they both win the nomination.
    Still don't get where this nonsense comes from.

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    One would assume that Democrats would vote for either of them. Independents seem more into Bernie than into Hillary. Bernie's anti-trade stuff could also potentially sway some of the Trump supporters. Then there are the polls () which show him beating Trump by more than she does. So, unless Clinton's voters are saying they won't vote for Bernie, then I don't see how she is any more 'electable' () than he is.

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    Rubios little face


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    He looks and sounds like a broken man.

    I can think of few things worse than running an unsuccessful presidential campaign. Especially this year. Devote all of your time, thought and energy into something for more than a year and then lose to the guy with the dick jokes.

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    I have a hard time believing Trump wins against any warm, breathing, vaguely homosapien body in the general. Bernie does well in polls for the general because of likability, but I don't know how well that holds up when he has to face someone who can call him an anti-American communist without insulting their base. Cruz and Kaisich are the real threats. I'm a card carrying member of the DNC; I'll vote for whoever we send. I just fear Sanders cripples us for a decade like Carter did.

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    I'm actually fairly certain Sanders would do better against Trump than Hillary would. Both would beat him comfortably though.

    Trump needs something like 70% of the white vote to win, and 64% of the white female vote. No republican, not even Reagan or Bush, have reached those numbers. I guess the other possibility is him getting cozy with minorities.

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    You what?

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