I hope that typo is deliberate.Originally Posted by Boydy
I hope that typo is deliberate.
I guarantee if a party did literally everything you said apart from "bin the pakis", and another party offered literally nothing else except "bin the pakis", they'd vote for...yep you guessed it.
When I say they I mean the English of course, and maybe Welsh because they seem to be horrible cunts too.
The only reason the Scottish have less overt racists is because there are no non-white people in Scotland lol
What typo?
The Polish imported cheap builders and nymphomaniacs into this country and anyone moaning about them should be deported.
And that's why we must continue to stand with Ukraine.
Not to defend the Starmer government, but Deliverism is death has to be one of the worst political slogans of all time.
What's the alternative, making up shit you can't deliver / makes no sense at all? Any sort of 'delivery' in terms of improving the country has to be good, even if it is apparently electoral suicide in the face of populist rhetoric and a retarded electorate.
Pretty sure the same hatchets were out for Albo down under at the start of his last term, although admittedly they have done better stuff 'for the people'. Still looked dicey in the face of the epitome of pure evil a few months back. I think people hoping for some Tony Blair wave of popularity for new leftist views are living the story they want narrated. A fantasy story.
I posted it for the point about the media and public disconnect but fair point about deliverism. I'd agree with you. I think the problem with these lot is that, for them, deliverism would be nowhere near significant enough to move the needle of public opinion. It'd just be fiddling at the margins.
There are only two things they could do to 'deliver', which are deport a million south Asians / Albanians / north Africans, or build a million houses in a year. Not seeing much appetite for either.
When it comes to Starmer. If it looks like a pig, talks like a pig, it's a pig.
David Cameron loves this post.
I don't really know what "Deliverism" actually is. If it's simply being judged by what you deliver, then fair fucks, but what are they actually delivering?
Free school meals? Cool. How? By delivering cuts to pensioners. Oh right.
Anything else?
Yes! You'll wait less time to see a doctor! Cool. How are we funding that? Well... you know disabled people, right...
I'm not sure delivering fuel poverty for pensioners* and actual poverty for the disabled is what the nation wanted Sir Beer Free Gear 2 Tier Farmer Harmer to deliver on.
*they haven't really, but you know.
Remember Gordon Brown and his exit speech on all the things Labour achieved?
THAT, was deliverism. How far we've fallen.
Deliverism is a load of ageing Labour activists harking back to the pre-crash Blair era when there was shit tons of money to throw at everything.
And yet we are apparently richer as a nation now.
We absolutely are if you don't worry about inflation.
We're a fuck tonne more in debt too, mind.
In real terms we're skint. But money up column go up.
Yeah it's a shame it's been taken by all the elites and billionaires now huh. Oh well.
Meanwhile in Deutschland, Merz has somehow not won the chancellor vote.
It'll trickle down m8. Be patient.
The elites and billionaires were all going around with begging bowls in 2006, of course.
Compared to now, I guess that's true. Except they held the bowl and the money going in to it.
My favourite part was the Government buying NatWest, nursing it through it's debt, then handing it back the second it turned a profit.
We taxpayers are exceedingly generous.
I mean there has been a huge further transfer of wealth in the intervening years so I don't know what exactly you're blathering on about.
It's not even remotely controversial.
I really don't understand the instinct a lot of people seemingly have to jump to the defence of billionaires at any perceived sleight.
Technically they're a minority, bigot.
Measures of 'inequality' fell during the 2010s, and even with the small rise in recent years are still below the halcyon days of New Labour. The same goes for 'poverty' measures, unlike 'material deprivation' that actually accounts for spending money on things; but even they remain lower than twenty years ago. I think the lesson there is that these are shit measurements.
This seems nuts.
Do most Indian workers pay NI as it is? Is the complaint not that they are mostly black economy workers?
Without looking at the detail it seems a bit more nuanced than is being reported there.
Have you been in a shop at any point since 2021?
They must want Reform to get one hell of a majority at the next GE.
Jesus Christ. Again all they had to do was not this.
In what sense? Cornershops are obviously riven with them, but then, to an extent [1] hasn't that always been the case, [2] aren't those places often the sort that disappear owing the taxman loads of money anyway and [3] are they even 'Indian owned' or whatever it is that is required for the NI exemption?
Suppose it might work well for Infosys.
All the fast food chains around here seem to be nearly exclusively staffed by Indians.
Pretty much any job that used to be done by school-leavers is. I'm not sure where British kids are meant to get started, but here we are.
It is genuinely reaching the stage where Reform may well be the only viable option. And in case the lol racists come out again, guess who has said this in response to the agreement:
No, that's not from the mouth of a deplorable, or a loony, but from Daisy Cooper, the Liberal Democrat deputy leader.said it was "very worrying to hear concerns that Indian workers coming over here, companies may not have to pay taxes on those workers" and called for MPs to be allowed to vote on the deal.
It seems like this is the case - it only applies to workers for Indian companies who are transferred here and not all Indians who come to the country and work for whoever. I guess that's what Niko was getting at above with saying it'd benefit Infosys?
The reply to that tweet makes a good point though - surely it gives Indian firms operating here an unfair competitive advantage?
Set up a company in India and 'transfer' the workers across.
And completely undoes half the point of having foreign businesses in the country; to provide jobs for British people. Never mind inviting them over and actively encouraging them not to bother hiring British people, in favour of importing their own staff, to avoid the taxes your competition has to pay.
Still, atleast my kids can grow up and get a job working in an Indian coal mine or something.
Where are the serious politicians in this country?
Having looked at more detail, if the NI point is a horrible piece of comms rather than an aberration then this deal might actually be quite good.
Can you imagine the cost / amount of red tape / corruption needed to do that though?
I'll admit, I've no idea what it takes in India, but it's what, about 5 minutes and £20 here.
Either way, it's absolutely worth it for the savings. The business I work for employs about 400 people and the NI increase and upping of the threshold alone cost us about half a million quid for this year.
I thought - from what they were saying on Radio 4 when I was on the way home work - that this applied to people who were employees of Indian companies who are already paying tax in India so they weren't being double taxed.
I also understood that they wouldn't have access to any benefits in the UK.
But work in England? I'd be curious to see the calcs if so, but there are over 2m Indian nationals here compared to about 13 Brits living in India.
I'm in no mood to understand the specifics of this deal but this once again seems like a car crash. Even if it's not as bad as it seems on the surface, the optics are still terrible and is a huge win for any political party with Reform in their name.
Let's combat Reform. More brown people, yay!
As seen in the US, that won't combat it much as anyone who can vote is already here and they often have similar thoughts to those who've been here all of their lives.
They should mandate home working and launch trans only environment officers next.
For some bizarre reason we let Commonwealth citizens vote the minute they arrive here, so these new Indian workers will enjoy representation without taxation.
On a scale of 1 to 10 how pissed (and while we're at it worried) are you Lewis?
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