The thing I don't like about Kross is how long he spent willingly bald when he's got such lovely hair.
The thing I don't like about Kross is how long he spent willingly bald when he's got such lovely hair.
As somebody who started watching this again on a total whim when it came on Netflix, after about 25 years of not watching it at all (and has getting borderline obsessively back into it) - some random, I'm sure uninteresting/unoriginal thoughts:
• I feel like it was mostly a bit flat. Of the three "PLE's" I've watched since getting back into it, it was definitely the worst. The crowd seemed crap and it never felt like there was any buzz, even on the big moments it was minimal. If I got stuck behind one of these twats holding up the giant face of their kid or whatever I'd be livid. I bet it's full of absolute twats. At least the better seats anyway.
• I'm glad Cena won in terms of the story because I feel like that makes the most sense. But the execution was shit. I don't even mind that it was sort of a slow match because that kind of worked, just like a methodical, robotic take down. But the whole Travis Scott nonsense. Awful. If The Rock wants to heavily involve himself in the central storyline of the entire organisation then he really needs to be turning up to things like this, right?
• Weirdly, something about them wrestling in broad daylight makes it feel very off and takes away from the spectacle somehow. I can't explain it but everything felt more authentic when it was later on and dark/lit up.
• Gunther and Jey Uso was the epitome of this. It just played out as a total non-event. He (Jey) is proper crap too isn't he? I get it, he's well over with the fans/kids so he was always going to win. But in my totally amateur take it just feels like he's a theme song and that's it. He doesn't strike me as a very impressive wrestler and I really don't think he has any charisma/is any good on the mic either? He always comes across as super awkward in all areas to me.
• I'm not saying it was all bad at all though. It has great moments. The triple threat to end night one was the high point by far. That's when I like it most, when it's just a massive soap opera played out against the occasional backdrop of people fighting. That as fantastic and it far more interesting than the Cody/Cena stuff. I was hoping they would somehow tie that all together in one sort of "big evil faction" storyline.
• Jacob Fatu is my guy so I was glad to see him get the title. It will be interesting to see what he does next. I feel like he needs to either take over The Bloodline or fuck them off completely. Preferably the latter. He probably needs to cut down on the "moonsault off the top turnbuckle" rinse and repeat a bit too. We get it mate, you're good at it.
• Also really like Dom so I was glad to see him win that! Presumably they oust Finn from The Judgement Day now? I don't know. I am looking forward to seeing where that goes. Liv and Raquel losing the tag titles was actually the most surprisingly result of the whole thing to me, I did not see that coming at all.
• The women's triple threat was great, I'm glad Iyo kept the title. I hope they push the other two out of the title picture for a bit and let somebody else have a run. I did like Tiffy and Charlotte too. Different, very heavy and physical but I think it worked. Obviously there is all the stuff online about them going off scrip and legitimately being on the outs and you take that with a pinch of salt, but Tiffy did look like she had genuinely taken a beating at the end!
• I love that a 60 year old Stone Cold bezzing around the ring on a quad back ended up being exactly as bad an idea as it obviously was within about half a second of seeing him on it.
I’d agree with all of that.
The stadiums just don’t come across well, certainly in terms of atmosphere. It sounded terrible in terms of atmosphere but I imagine it wasn’t actually all that bad. You heard them chanting at times and the audio was barely picking it up. They’re not ever going away from the stadiums nowadays though
Absolutely nailed Jey.
Bron and Rollins with Heyman will feed families
I can't believe Rusev returned on Rusev Day.
Bron Breakker is getting the rocket.
Mate of mine said to me after the main event on Saturday that it's a shame they just put Heyman with Rollins, because Bron could be his new Lesnar.
Got some very excited messages this morning.
Mania was a complete let down but they tried really hard with the reset button last night, which is good. I think a few of the swings will end up misses but you can't say they haven't tried.
The crowds have pretty much turned Cena back face already so putting him in a program with Orton is a great move because they won't boo Randy. I think the match will be good too.
Vaquer is money.
Gunther is more money.
And establishing the new heel team with Heyman by feeding them both Punk and Reigns is a great move and something we don't often see in WWE.
I hope they don’t add Becky to them. If they’re gonna add anyone it should be Melo
Joe Hendry
I had to go back as I was skipping through the show because I could of sworn I just saw Joe Hendrys face in the middle of Wrestlemania.
There was a brief shot of Jey Uso up on the ropes with Zayn waiting for him in the ring where I was convinced he was going to turn on him.
That would be great!Originally Posted by Waffdon
That episode of Raw was loads better than Wrestlemania overall.
I really like the Cena double down on "what a set of fickle bastards you all are" now the crowd have sort of turned on Cody a bit and seem to have (mostly) started cheering for him. I like that he is sticking his is "fuck the lot of you" rhetoric and just switching up the way he pitches it as the audience reactions change. Just keep The Rock out of it entirely and I think it will all still be a lot of fun.
Finally watched RAW.
Cena doubling down was brilliant and it was great to see Vaquer, Giulia and Roxanne getting some screen time. Especially Vaquer who looked great against Iyo.
Bron teaming up with Rollins and Heyman is fucking beautiful, stick that right into my fucking veins.
Should be Melo. Will be Theory.
Theory needs to be a face so badly. Everything about him suits it
Don’t understand the hype for Carmelo Hayes. About as bland as can be right now. If they want a new dangerous alliance they need a muscle guy. AKA Drew McIntyre.
What on earth is Bron if he’s not a muscle guy
I wouldn’t say no to McIntyre but it’s never happening
Bron is the young apprentice. The workhorse.
I think this was a purposeful tease. Sami does deserve a title run of his own.
I did enjoy Cena immediately proving himself right in his promo with the crowd turning on Cody. I do not however look forward to the actual match between him and Orton. I hope that dates countdown becomes a thing every time he shows up. Showing up just to tick one off the counter and leave without saying anything every now and then will get him great heat.
As for the Heyman lead faction, assuming we have some kind of Evolution tribute we have the two established main event players in Rollins and Heyman(HHH and Flair). Bron could really assume the roles of Randy or Batista in this, but I imagine they set him on people when they see fit, as last night, so Batista he is. I would say MITB comes a bit too soon for him, but he seems a shoe-in for Royal Rumble 2026 at present.
I imagine we are setting up for a tag between them and a begrudging Punk/Reigns at Backlash, where whoever the 4th member is will reveal themselves to cost the faces. If you dont want to follow along with another Evolution type group, you could bring in a returning Bronson Reed. Backlash could be about the right amount of time for his broken ankle to heal. I would personally choose Trick Williams, but Theory is still only 27 and would fit better, I think.
Easy booking and I'm here for it. I love it when main event heels are getting all the heat because they cheat and actually win.
Noam Dar returning from injury
I think the title needs him more than he needs the title at this point.
What happened to that Indian bloke they said ‘WAS COMING’ for months.
He came back, feuded with Dom and Rey for a bit then re-formed his old tag team back in NXT.
They then got drafted to the main roster, did fuck all and both were released.
It seems Dwayne has given his side of what happened with this Mania build/match.
It seems the HHH(all 3 stand for humble) plan was for Cody to see he was losing his friends while he continued to hold the title. Then the weird night where Dwayne came back and was turning more than the Big Show, he plants the seed for Cody to potentially turn at Mania in a your friends or your title choice moment. Cody would stay mega babyface and refuse, but that's when the Cena heel turn hits and he wins the 17th dirty, after having a full babyface v babyface run up to the match.
Instead, ticket sales for Elimination Chamber were low, so the Endeavour president personally rang Dwayne to ask him to appear at the show and make fans have to watch it. The best they could come up with is that the final boss doesn't want titles, he wants your soul. So they built that up and essentially did the Mania turn 7 weeks or whatever it was early.
He says he then told them he was done getting involved and essentially to take his ball and run with it.
Seems a bit sus to me. There has definitely been a gaping Dwayne sized hole in things since EC. Not even Grammy Award Winning Artist Travis Scott could fill it.
Bullshit, of course. They'd sold 23.5k out of 29k tickets by 23rd December. There's a Twitter account that follows this shit so that is one of the easier fact checks I'll ever do.
Did he mention turning up drunk on NXT the next day to ramble endlessly about how everyone should shut the fuck up and enjoy the ride he's taking them on?
The only title Dwaynes yet to win is "Worlds Biggest Liar to Protect Their Massively Outproportioned Ego" off the Hulkster but he's definitely a strong No. 1 contender.
Who can forget the main event of Wrestlemania 13 where he lifted the 600lb Sultan over his head in front of 150,000 screaming Rockamaniacs brother
Is his daughter still an authority figure in NXT? She has negative charisma.
Do you mean Tamina? That's not his daughter, I'm not sure it's even a direct relation. It's like a cousins niece or something.
Yep, she's the GM.
She's done a lot better in that role than when she was in the weird heel faction Schism.
He means Simone aka Ava.
BTw, haters of Dynamite, I'd truly reccomend the last couple of weeks of shows. They've really nailed it on the story telling front but because they're kind of between storylines they're putting on fun matches.
Brody King + Ospreay vs Takeshita/Alexander was great in a fun house show way. My personal highlight being when Brody King slammed both his opponents off a hot tag and Will Ospreay got excited and went to hype Brody up and Brody just grabs Ospreay and flings him against the ropes and Samoan Drops him onto them both.
A great little 'We're not a tag team so don't have established moves but I'm a big fucker and you're the high flyer so I'm going to take you on a ride' moment. Top wrestling.
That’s certainly an optimistic view.
Tony is out of ideas. Everything was heel beat down, then a babyface run in for the save to set up the future match. It happened four times last night.
See and maybe this is just different ways of seeing things that can fundamentally never be addressed.
I liked the actual wrestling, like the moves and the different ways they went about it and different movesets used.
You see the outcome of what the match sets-up.
Also I did mean to apologise for suggesting the Moxley book, I cheated and listened to it as an audiobook at which point it's just a reasonably entertaining podcast. I tried actually reading it after your comments and realised its like reading a middle school book report.
As recompense can I offer the final page of Sabus book?
I finished the Moxley book. It was quite a journey. I’ll do a write up if anyone is interested. Fascinating insight into his pickled mind. The whole thing read exactly like one of his promos but it was still rather interesting nonetheless.
Sabu is a level of lunacy Moxley can only dream of.
The one thing you can't ding him for unlike 99% of those books, you can tell he wrote it.
Grammar mistakes and all. He didn’t even let the publisher proof read it apparently.
I just checked out who the Publisher was and it seems to be an independent whos latest releases are a series of those Navy Seal autobioraphies, 'Im Ted Bundys cousin and I didn't realise he was a bad guy until after the 40 or so murders" and "I'm Kramer from Seinfeld and I swear that time I said the N Word wasn't just me being racist: The Autobiography"
Been watching some Dark Side of the Ring. Couldn’t be bothered with the Mick Foley episode talking about his Hell in a Cell match with Undertaker cos it’s been done to death, but enjoyed the ones about Vader and Ludwig Borger.
I'm a twit
I've been watching those too. Just in order. It's crazy how much mad shit goes on. I watched the one about the "Brawl for All" most recently. I don't remember that happening. What a wild/stupid concept.
My favourite running theme throughout all of them is how much that Jim Cornette guy hates Vince Russo with every ounce of his being.
Jim Cornette has his flaws but he’s very committed to the traditions of pro wrestling and Russo flies in the face of all of that, so in that regard I’m fully behind him.
The Collision In Korea episode is a good one, of only for the idea of North Koreans shitting themselves at the sight of Eric Bischoff having a jog.
Great Cena/Orton promo completely overshowed by the ridiculous decision to have Chelsea Green lose the US title.
Quality to see Fraxion called up and to see Aleister Black return who is a real favourite of mine.
Cena/Orton was great too but having Chelsea Green drop her title to Zelina fucking Vega is mental.
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