Seems a pretty daft thing to do, strategically speaking, but then this is the French left we're talking about.
Seems a pretty daft thing to do, strategically speaking, but then this is the French left we're talking about.
Can we get someone to make a tv show about the positives of public ownership of fundamental services so that this country can do something about it. I swear the only way anything gets done in this country is if we make a popular drama series about it.
https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1906697638306554207
Heard some state schoolboy on the radio today or the other day saying literally no one ever uses the term incel [or most of the yoof culture reprised in the great work] and that most of them just tease each other by calling each other virgins or whatever, which seemed very 20th century to me.
They were probably the guy everyone else was referring to as the incel.Originally Posted by niko_cee
Heard some state schoolboy on the radio today or the other day saying literally no one ever uses the term incel [or most of the yoof culture reprised in the great work] and that most of them just tease each other by calling each other virgins or whatever, which seemed very 20th century to me.
Because all anyone wants to do is sit indoors and watch video content, there's no other way of getting through to them.
Jesus fuck. At least the post office people were actual real humans.
The traction this thing has gained is utterly ludicrous and showing it in schools? Do these people even understand how schools work? Kids will laugh at it and then shout Jamie at whoever the unpopular kid with mild anger management issues is.
Madness.
Marine Le Pen? The same Le Pen who advocated for lifetime bans for political corruption and complained that the French justice system was too lenient? Surely Monsieur leopard would not mange my face? Get fucked you dried up old bitch.
I've just looked at the Twitter thread Keir posted that in and it's taken Tristan fucking Tate a few replies down to point out the bloody obvious.
I take it back Spikey, we're doomed.
Al Gore could be on for a sequel.
Without wanting to miss the point of Adolescence entirely without having seen it, being as it features a 13 year old boy as the main protagonist, aren't all 13 year old boys sort of legally required to be incels?
30 odd years ago, we had groups of - mostly - privately educated, straight, white men, sitting down discussing the likes of the spread of HIV amongst gay men, criminality amongst black youths, etc, and it took alot of good work from those communities to point out that those cunts had no idea what they were talking about and that representation was key to finding both understanding and solutions.
Well, here we are, 2025, back to the same shit. Sure it's less white and less male, but there's not a single young, working class male at the table discussing it. Which is why such obvious nonsense is pouring forth.
Yes but you kind of harbor these thoughts internally and get over them once you realise society isn't accepting of them and you're just being a mook.
The older I get, the more I'm realising (hopefully in a non-incelly way) how massive an impact women's liberation has had on everything, and may even be the biggest cause of the decline in western civilisation if indeed there is such a decline. Good news for women, obviously, but - other than in Scandinavian countries where they have huge resources and money to chuck at a very small population so are living life on easy mode - our societies in general haven't remotely caught up with the effects of women no longer being unpaid domestic labourers. The whole of society is basically set up for this to be the case and too many things need to change but simply haven't changed as a result of that coming to an end.
It's far too early for me to be reacting to 'womens liberation is the downfall of society' from the bloke that was terrified to come out to his family because of how he'd be judged so I'll just move on.
If you had had better English classes at your international school, you'd have been able to read properly and therefore discern that I didn't say that women's liberation was the downfall of society, but that a failure to make the requisite changes in response to it has been.
Jim, you should know better than to make a point that can be so easily and wilfully misconstrued.
As I said, it's too early for me to be commenting. My apologies.
And thanks to the good work of those communities, HIV is still largely confined to gay men (and African immigrants), and black youths still commit laughably disproportionate amounts of crime. The equivalent here would be showering dysfunctional working class men with money and renaming the M25 the Wifebeater Orbital.
When can I expect my cheque?
Turn the lights off, it's lit up like Mick Philpott illuminations in 'ere
This is spot on. The shift in women working outside of the domestic role has had a massive effect on society. This is magnified more so when offspring are brought into the equation. The modern flexible working had helped with this but I still think it presents many challenges.
It also stems from a message telling women that being a stay at home mum is less important than a working career, which is complete bollocks.
I do wonder what the tax implication would be if women stopped working and went back to the domestic role, and how this would affect government income.
Look at the autists decrying women's rights. Shock.
I forgot to ask when Jimmy posted that originally, what many things needed to change but haven't?
Look at the professional offence takers all rallying to stifle the discussion by portraying it as something it isn't.
Wages aren't high enough for a single earner to support a family any more. Wages are too low and housing costs too high are the problems with the modern world, not fucking women working.
It's hard to see this in the graphs (because the UK's GDP grew at a steep rate throughout the whole of the 20th century), but the impact on GDP and tax of a 50% increase in Women working between the 70s and 90s (ish) must have been massive. Well, unless Men were working less as a result, but anecdotally that doesn't seem to be the case.
That sounds all well and good but then your husband decides to fuck off and you've given up your career and suddenly now you're a single parent with children to support and no career.
Also, would you want to be stuck at home all day with no adult interaction and just kids to talk to? I fucking wouldn't, it'd be mind-numbing and I don't blame women for not wanting to do it either.
I watch a bit of Rory Sutherland on Youtube (a fairly eccentric "marketing wanker") and among the good points he makes was that due to technological advances and a huge decrease in cost of those technological advances (compare the cost of any white or black goods now vs the 80s, even without adjusting for inflation and think of all the things that just didn't exist then that do now) the standard of living and excess cash should be through the roof for most people now vs back then. It isn't because all of that excess cash/time saved has been eaten up by an absolutely ludicrous increase in housing costs.
Lol trickle down economics mate.
I know I'm in a massive minority with this one, but individually and 99.9% of the time I simply can't see a net upside in having kids, whether you're a Man or a Woman. It also staggers/amuses me when people who think the World is shit and only going to get worse still have kids.
Yeah, it's like the standard boomer response of "oh, we made do without smartphones and flat screen TVs" when even if you were to forego those things these days (not really all that possible to partake in society without a smartphone now and other types of TV aren't available any more), it's not going to give you a mortgage deposit.
Housing + education + healthcare end up soaking all of the increase in productivity. Excess cash is through the roof though, but we are not working 15 hours like Keynes predicted. It will be hard to remove the stronghold those three have too, with healthcare probably being the hardest. Housing should in theory be the easiest (build more), but the bats say hi.
I hope we don't grow old as badly as the boomers have. They struggle desperately with quite simple concepts and just inability to comprehend that things are different now compared to 1981.
I like to think of our generation as the one who bridged the gap, born in a pre internet world (widespread internet anyway) and grew up with a pretty basic iteration of it. God help the kids who have grown up now with it's stranglehold on everything.
It’s too much to cope with in such a short space of time. They went from 1981 when literally all there was to do was fuck, to a World where you can have human contact without ever meeting a human.
I guess the previous generation coped better as they’d lived through a World War and/or the aftermath and I guess once you’ve done that everything else is water off a duck’s back.
All that lead in the water.
Or conversely were so scarred by it they were numb to change. David Mitchell made a good point in Unruly about forgiving the mental shit in the immediate aftermath of the plague because in a world where half the people you know, regardless of age, gender, race, etc all die horrendous painful deaths in quick succession the entire world likely had mass PTSD on the back of it.
Look how many people haven't got over Covid, which despite people desperately trying to compare it to WW2 was more like a weird blip. I would suggest that whilst technology makes some people more resilient to these things it probably skull fucks those who are already mentally ill.
https://www.bma.org.uk/media/p13lead...ubmissions.pdf
This is fucking wild. 116 pages.
Want to give any indication of what it is or am I supposed to just click and download some random pdf and hope for the best?
Read it all you slacker.
It's a dossier of concerns doctors have submitted about PAs for the Leng review.
You don't really need to read much more than page 1 after the introduction.
:/NP 148 – A PA in GP surgery saw a woman with post menopausal bleeding and documented a normal cervical examination. She came to clinic and had a 6cm cervical cancer.
There must be thousands of these.NP 557 – Independently working, caused a tracheal tear on intubation, failed to recognise seriousness, discharged patient from day-case surgery. Patient represented peri-arrest with surgical emphysema requiring ICU and transfer to cardiothoracics.
How do you know if you’re being seen by one of these chancers? Do they tell you? Are they obliged to if you ask?
ChatGPT interrogate it?
And then post your top 10 hot takes.
They are unregulated so what they are "supposed" to do is more or less meaningless. If they do things they aren't "supposed" to do, there's nobody to report them to. They essentially have free reign to do whatever they want.
You'll see in that document that many of them have done things - prescribing and requesting ionising radiation - which are literally illegal, and nothing has happened to them.
But deregulation is good. Right?
Right?
Can be good if you as a customer can choose. If the government is going to charge you the same regardless of doctor or noctor, then not so much.
This is a fair comment. Cost of living has gone up which has pushed the majority of households to ensure there are 2 incomes. Is that additional income significantly helpful once you have childcare costs to factor in because both parents are at work? I don't know.
Re your first paragraph, they would receive child maintenance so it's not like they are left high and dry. But fair point in that their career effectively goes on hold.
On the second point, I think the mother is by far more maternal than the husband and wouldn't have such a strong viewpoint as that. And if they did, then why did they have children if they didn't want to spend time with them?
Both parents working full daytime jobs in a protestant northern European society (i.e. no large extended families locally as a norm) is basically impossible to reconcile with the successful upbringing of children unless employers concede efficiency points, which they do not, ever. Everyone I know with kids is completely reliant on the grandparents to cover childcare, even if this means the grandparents driving hundreds of miles on the regular.
The knock on effects of that are crippling costs, stress, shit parenting, divorce, and so on.
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