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    One of my kids managed to accidentally turn audio description on once and I nearly had a mental breakdown trying to get rid of it.

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    Been there.

    *Spikey is pushing buttons on the remote in an increasing exasperated fashion*

    Out of shot a child is heard crying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    The younger lad (26) who's joined us is bizarre, I don't want to get on the 'kids these days' bus but while clearly very able, he exhibits some odd behaviour. Randomly had about 8 sick days in 3 months so far, and never rings in for those sick days, just disappears. Once he came in for an hour and then just went off sick without telling anyone he'd gone. Finally earned himself a warning last week for walking out in the warehouse straight under a forklift with his headphones in.

    It's like he's living in some parallel reality. Perfectly good at his job but only seems to do it when he fancies, which will I fear be a risk to his probation at six months. Dunno if it's a generational thing or just him but observing Gen Z more widely they really seem to have commitment issues.

    Oh, and he's quite bitter about life because he has a computer science degree but apparently all the coding jobs are going to more experienced people who have learned to code at an older age (say sorry Boydy) which apparently forces him to do glorified data entry for us.

    Only just realised this isn't the job thread but oh well, I'm old enough to look the part ranting away in a doctor's surgery.
    If he's 26 he graduated what, 4, 5 years ago? So like 2019 or 2020? 2019 and 2021 (maybe not 2020 because of COVID first hitting and everyone/everything being so uncertain) were peak hiring years in the software industry.

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    Don't quite a lot of millennials watch TV with subtitles too?

    I saw a tweet the other day saying so many people do it because the sound on so many shows is badly mixed - the dialogue is all mumbly and then the action scenes would take your face off and tbf I could kind of see where they were coming from there.


    Also read something a while back that apparently subtitles on kids' programmes drastically improve their reading ability without them having to put much effort in.

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    Subtitles is only acceptable if you're not fluent in said language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy View Post
    If he's 26 he graduated what, 4, 5 years ago? So like 2019 or 2020? 2019 and 2021 (maybe not 2020 because of COVID first hitting and everyone/everything being so uncertain) were peak hiring years in the software industry.
    Yeah, I didn't think it added up either. Maybe he's just a chancer.

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    I do feel sorry for anyone who's graduated into it in the last year or two though. Even where companies have picked up hiring again after layoffs, it's generally in the more senior end of the market and it's tough out there for the juniors.

    Maybe the zoomers' attitudes to work are why employers preferred older people who learned to code at a later age.

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    The youth I work with are alright.

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    The current batch of med students - whatever gen they would be - seem a particularly engaged and sociable bunch.

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    BREAKING NEWS: All people within certain age brackets aren’t all identical in characteristics.
    I'm a twit

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    Then explain American women over the age of 50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Quiet quitting, Quince. Most of them are up to it and good on 'em, really. Most of them have been robbed of the futures they dreamed of over the last 15 years, so why not.
    I think it's more entitlement on their part. The younger lot seem to have it in abundance. ( I appreciate every aging generation probably claims this, but meh, I might as well join in)

    And they robbed their own futures by choosing to be SOFT SHITES. That's probably a tad harsh.

    P.s. there is hope for the future, especially one with you. x

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    Start the warning process so you can get rid.
    I think she will look elsewhere in the new year, so the problem should resolve itself.

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    I've had the flu for the past three and a half days and it fucking sucks. Fever, aches, bad sleep and just generally feeling like complete shit. Not fun at all.

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    It's a great clear out though. You'd shite through the eye of a needle.

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    Looking into getting offishul ADHD diagnosis. Reckon it's a slam dunk tbh. GP reckons 12-18 months to get seen so looking into private options. @Magic you've gone through it haven't you? Any hot tips?

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    You're self employed, aren't you? What's the point if you can't use it to grift your employers equality rules?

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    Pharmaceutical grade amphetamines baby.

    That and it would just be nice to have some confirmation of why my brain is the way it is. It has always been pretty frustrating wielding what I reckon is a half decent set of neurons but having it shut down whenever I ask it to do things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -james- View Post
    Looking into getting offishul ADHD diagnosis. Reckon it's a slam dunk tbh. GP reckons 12-18 months to get seen so looking into private options. @Magic you've gone through it haven't you? Any hot tips?
    12-18 months on the NHS? That's actually pretty good.

    There's no adult provision at all in NI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -james- View Post
    Looking into getting offishul ADHD diagnosis. Reckon it's a slam dunk tbh. GP reckons 12-18 months to get seen so looking into private options. @Magic you've gone through it haven't you? Any hot tips?
    Start reading brother. John the subreddits etc.

    Medication is life changing.

    Private I think you need to watch out for shared care etc as it's different in England.

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    How do you mean? Seems I can get diagnosed and prescribed privately, but my GP couldn't recommend any provider and says there's a good chance my private diagnosis wouldn't get taken on by the NHS. Most likely route seems to be getting diagnosed privately and then again through the NHS when they get round to me. Looks like about a grand for the assessment and then 100 odd quid a month for meds which isn't too bad really.

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    PM me with any questions you have.

    You can get the meds on the NHS after a private diagnosis.

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    Which is absolute bullshit given absolutely no other condition can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -james- View Post
    Looking into getting offishul ADHD diagnosis. Reckon it's a slam dunk tbh. GP reckons 12-18 months to get seen so looking into private options. @Magic you've gone through it haven't you? Any hot tips?
    My wife waited 18 months, that was doing the 'right to choose' thing. Once diagnosed, she than had to wait another 6 weeks before she got any medication, then the titration period was 9 months. She tried a bunch of meds and in the end has stayed off them. Much like you've said, she mostly went for it to get answers for why her brain works the way it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    Which is absolute bullshit given absolutely no other condition can.
    Jealous there's no tabbies for Autism cunt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    Jealous there's no tabbies for Autism cunt?
    I'll defer to your lived experience on the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    Which is absolute bullshit given absolutely no other condition can.
    Why do you think that?

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    Let's not pretend there isn't an incentive for the private ones to give the customer what they want.

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    If anybody else gets a private diagnosis for any other condition requiring medication, they have to then pay for the medication privately. This means the person who has made the diagnosis takes responsibility for their prescription.

    To get the medication on the NHS they'd have to get an NHS diagnosis.

    Either the principle needs to change and everyone can get a private diagnosis and then have the GP take over the prescription or the principle needs to apply to everyone. There's no good reason for ADHD to be a special case.

    If anything, I think that kind of system is less appropriate for a condition like ADHD, where it's extremely easy for dodgy private companies to churn out unwarranted diagnoses to make shed loads of money and then shift the burden of prescribing (and the legal responsibility for the prescription) onto GPs.
    Last edited by randomlegend; 14-01-2025 at 10:43 AM.

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    I'd so rather be a thoughtless NPC, just bear that in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    If anybody else gets a private diagnosis for any other condition requiring medication, they have to then pay for the medication privately.

    To get the medication on the NHS they'd have to get an NHS diagnosis.

    Either the principle needs to change and everyone can get a private diagnosis and then have the GP take over the prescription or the principle needs to apply to everyone. There's no good reason for ADHD to be a special case.

    If anything, I think that kind of system is less appropriate for a condition like ADHD, where it's extremely easy for dodgy private companies to churn out unwarranted diagnoses to make shed loads of money and then shift the burden of prescribing (and the legal responsibility for the prescription) onto GPs.
    Please tell me what the advantages are for THE PERSON to seek a fraudulent or improper diagnosis?

    Oh yes, NONE.

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    Isn't it because the number of people being diagnosed with ADHD vastly outweighs the NHS capacity? Shift the initial diagnosis out to specialists and then have GPs manage ongoing prescriptions.

    Obviously it's an NHS mental elf issue but it makes sense as a solution. Are there many other conditions where it could be applicable? It seems to me like ADHD just has the right combination of availability of private diagnosis/safety of meds/ease of ongoing management
    Last edited by -james-; 14-01-2025 at 11:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    If anybody else gets a private diagnosis for any other condition requiring medication, they have to then pay for the medication privately. This means the person who has made the diagnosis takes responsibility for their prescription.

    To get the medication on the NHS they'd have to get an NHS diagnosis.

    Either the principle needs to change and everyone can get a private diagnosis and then have the GP take over the prescription or the principle needs to apply to everyone. There's no good reason for ADHD to be a special case.

    If anything, I think that kind of system is less appropriate for a condition like ADHD, where it's extremely easy for dodgy private companies to churn out unwarranted diagnoses to make shed loads of money and then shift the burden of prescribing (and the legal responsibility for the prescription) onto GPs.
    Perhaps I don't know enough about the matter, but it seems ludicrous to me that only NHS diagnoses for ANY condition can merit an NHS prescription. What's the reasoning for it?

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    Doctors paid by government: Saints

    Doctors paid privately: Satan

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    Quote Originally Posted by SvN View Post
    Perhaps I don't know enough about the matter, but it seems ludicrous to me that only NHS diagnoses for ANY condition can merit an NHS prescription. What's the reasoning for it?
    People often go private when they don't like the answer they're getting from the NHS and - especially with Mental Health / hard to diagnose health problems - people essentially use Private clinics to buy a diagnosis.

    A girl in my daughters class went through assessment for autism for years. The NHS said nope, not autistic. So the mum went private. Had the diagnosis within a couple of months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    People often go private when they don't like the answer they're getting from the NHS and - especially with Mental Health / hard to diagnose health problems - people essentially use Private clinics to buy a diagnosis.

    A girl in my daughters class went through assessment for autism for years. The NHS said nope, not autistic. So the mum went private. Had the diagnosis within a couple of months.
    Right, so the caveat surely is: if you've received a negative diagnosis from the NHS, we won't pay for it. Doesn't that solve it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SvN View Post
    Right, so the caveat surely is: if you've received a negative diagnosis from the NHS, we won't pay for it. Doesn't that solve it?
    I suppose some people just skip the NHS and go private to jump the queue. They're also potentially getting a soft diagnosis'.

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    What does an autism diagnosis get you? Special treatment? Benefits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    People often go private when they don't like the answer they're getting from the NHS and - especially with Mental Health / hard to diagnose health problems - people essentially use Private clinics to buy a diagnosis.

    A girl in my daughters class went through assessment for autism for years. The NHS said nope, not autistic. So the mum went private. Had the diagnosis within a couple of months.
    Loooool again, advantages of doing so plz?

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    Disability benefits, extra help at school (in theory, if not in reality), care plans, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    especially with Mental Health / hard to diagnose health problems
    Which apparently is the only area where they can do that?

    Quote Originally Posted by SvN View Post
    Right, so the caveat surely is: if you've received a negative diagnosis from the NHS, we won't pay for it. Doesn't that solve it?
    That doesn't work if you go private first, which I guess is the whole point of demanding an NHS diagnostic.

    It all boils down to what I said: Doctors from the NHS will always do the right thing because they are morally superior. Private ones, despite having the exact same training, are all merchants who will only do whatever fills their pockets, which will usually involve doing something bad, obviously.

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    I'm not an expert in this guys. I literally only know what the mum was harping on about and reading between the lines. This is what she did to get the diagnosis she wanted. I assume she isn't alone.

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    I once umpired with a bloke in his fifties whose opening conversational gambit was 'I was diagnosed with autism yesterday'. 10/10, loved it.

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    That does seem quite autistic. Diagnosis approved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe View Post
    It all boils down to what I said: Doctors from the NHS will always do the right thing because they are morally superior. Private ones, despite having the exact same training, are all merchants who will only do whatever fills their pockets, which will usually involve doing something bad, obviously.

    I'm not sure you need to bring morality in it. Do you think a given patient is equally likely to be positively diagnosed by either doctor?

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    NHS queue skippers, they're the real reprehensibles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey M View Post
    Disability benefits, extra help at school (in theory, if not in reality), care plans, etc.
    Nope regarding benefits. Do you know how hard that would be?

    So you think someone would fraudulently get a diagnosis to get extra help in school? Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    Loooool again, advantages of doing so plz?
    Get complete control over which school your child goes to. Extra funded help at school. Extra benefits. An excuse for your child's shit behaviour which is actually just a result of shit parenting. Etc. Etc. Etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    Nope regarding benefits. Do you know how hard that would be?

    So you think someone would fraudulently get a diagnosis to get extra help in school? Lol.
    Yep regarding benefits, what are you even talking about.

    https://www.renaissancelegal.co.uk/b...lfare%20system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    Get complete control over which school your child goes to. Extra funded help at school. Extra benefits. An excuse for your child's shit behaviour which is actually just a result of shit parenting. Etc. Etc. Etc.
    LOGIC CHECK.

    So you think people who might be reliant on benefits could afford a private diagnosis? They're obviously too busy spending money on 110" HISENSE TVs and throwing their rubbish in the street.

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