Aren't they always?Originally Posted by -james-
Aren't they always?
Yev, this is akin to finding out that Ian Watkins has been tied up and had his bollocks torched with a bunsen burner, before being beheaded and having "kiddie fiddler" written on the wall with his innards. Is it OK? Obviously not. Would I laugh my arse off and hope nobody grassed up the perpetrator? Absofuckinglutely.
Horrible shit happens sometimes, let's just enjoy it when it happens to the right people. And the CEO of a Yank Health Insurance company is definitely the right people.
Can we just stop and admire the deceased's blue suit jacket?
Last edited by Shindig; 10-12-2024 at 09:01 AM.
I imagine many of the people his company have refused to pay out for had children too.
Fair. I probably shouldn't have made that a point of contention. It's a shite business and something like universal healthcare would've taken the edge off it.
It isn't standing up for what you believe in. It's taking out someone harmful to society. Simple as that.
People like these health insurance CEOs have had it made abundantly clear to them that they are free to exploit, maim and murder the masses with complete and utter impunity and be rewarded beyond comprehension for doing so.
People feel - because they are - completely powerless to change it by peaceful means. The balance of power and influence is so laughably lopsided.
Society functions on the basis that there are consequences for carrying out depraved acts against others. It has reached the point where these consequences no longer apply to certain extremely wealthy and powerful people. It's hardly surprising certain members of the trodden-on classes feel compelled to provide the consequences to these CEOs - who are psychopaths, in the truest sense - which "the system" has failed to provide.
Do I condone someone being gunned down in the street? No.
Is violence an inevitable consequence of allowing certain people to exploit (to the point of bringing about their premature death) everyone else for their own enormous benefit with no accountability? Yes I think it probably is.
You can't just keep increasing the level of inequality (in every sense of the word) infinitely and expect people to accept it. Eventually some people will snap.
Last edited by randomlegend; 10-12-2024 at 12:42 PM.
Change the system then.
Reducing everything to good and evil based on a preconceived idea of who qualifies as good and who qualifies as bad is both pointless and daft. Who knows what this guy was like? Maybe he pushed for things that helped the common man and tried to run/change his business accordingly. Maybe he didn't. Is Warren Buffet a bad guy? Should he be shot? Even in Spikey's article you can see that the Living Saints of the Hippocratic Order are quite often as much the 'bad guys' in all this as the evil executives.
How?
Insurrection.
I don't know anything about the US health system, but isn't the problem one faces when trying to convince a populace that it needs changing is that most of them don't think it does? If dodgy gut guy was in the UK would he be on his Mayo Clinic conceived complicated cocktail of weird biologics or would he be just shitting himself to death?
Insurrection 😍
US health insurance companies don't just deny approval for weird experimental drug cocktails.
They deny/fight against funding basic treatments and investigations.
Saw a letter the other day from a US paediatric oncologist to an insurance company because they were refusing to fund basic anti-emetics for a child on chemotherapy.
They are pure evil.
Edit:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/amyfeld...ealth-systems/
The company the dead CEO was from deny around a THIRD of claims, double the industry average.
Last edited by randomlegend; 10-12-2024 at 01:31 PM.
Let's say an insurance company denies a claim. Couldn't the doctors, heroes that they are, volunteer to do the procedure for free ($350k, average salary for an oncologist). Sounds like they put money before lives. Let's kill them all too.
Imagine how many more claims United Healthcare could approve if the oncologist was not a greedy bastard and only took home $100k per year.
Don't forget the salary of the doctor who gives the medical opinion to approve the refusal.
I appreciate you're just providing your usual pointless, idiotic interjections, but no they couldn't.
$350k a year is nowhere near enough for them to pay for all the other associated costs of providing said "procedures". The hospitals wouldn't allow it either.
It's honestly wild to me that anyone would be on the side of an American Health Insurance CEO. Even if the alternative is a murderer.
Doctors working for insurance companies are obviously scum.
Pepe is always championing the side of whoever the most odious entity in the discussion is.
Always strikes me as one of those ladder-pulling Priti Patel brand immigrants who hates any immigrants who came after he did.
You are 'championing' a murderer, mate.
I just don't fall for 'wa wa this or that evil' as you do. Insurance, by its very essence, will always look nefarious. People can opt out of it if they prefer.
Obviously the provision of health services is a tricky subject, and not one that is easily reducible to simple answers.
That said, America, as a society, appears from the outside at least, to be built on a fairly Darwinian economic model. The people are driven to work hard and to achieve, lest they fall into the cracks of society. It appears to make them the richest/most productive people in the world, but there are trade offs. The lack of basic societal safety nets and readily available healthcare are eye-opening from a European perspective, but I equally think that most Americans enjoy a higher standard of living, earn more money, and have access to better healthcare than most Europeans, certainly most British people. They have built their society in that sort of hyper competitive way and whilst it does appear to be becoming ever more unequal that is the nature of the society that they have built, and ostensibly want.
To me it's like the gun thing. We think it's mad, they think it's totally normal and the great majority of Americans will never encounter a shooting, much like they probably won't encounter a problem with their health insurance. If changing to a European model makes them all poorer is that a good thing?
Pepe used to be sound. He's gone really weird the past few years. He just seems like a cunt now.
But not even in a cunt in the consistent way that say Lewis is.
Yevrah thinks he's James O'Brien.
I'm not "championing" anyone.
I said this is an inevitable consequence of what is going on.
You gargling the balls of people like Trump and Health Insurance company execs at every opportunity you get and explaining how actually they are top lads is so fucking weird. They aren't going to be your friend, mate.
You got it right niko and the answer is no, it's not a good thing.
Healthcare is a complicated beast. I would start with price transparency laws so that people can shop around. That would at least put some damper on the outrageous prices. It is crazy that I have to go for any service and not know how much it is going to cost me until a few months later. I also would prefer employer sponsored insurance to be less of a thing, but I think that I'm in a minority on that one.
To me he just seems to be speaking from his own lived experience within the American system, whereas we have a more default 'this is mental' jumping off point.
Trump is laughably incompetent. Not sure when I've said otherwise. As for this CEO lad, who neither of us had ever heard of until a couple of days ago, I have never met him so I have no opinion on him. My current insurance is through United and it is a bit shit, but that is more of my company's fault for choosing said plan. The University's insurance was pretty good.
Christ.
He just shares his opinions less often than Lewis. When he does they are consistently cunty.
Is having an opinion because someone's title is CEO better than having no opinion based on the same information? Oh yes, you read one article on the company he works for. You know everything you need to know. Murder justified.
Cunty = disagrees with me
Wor Luigi does seem to have actually started a CONVERSATION on healthcare. Shouldn't he have waited a couple of months for the inauguration?
My 'cunty' opinion here is 'being a CEO/rich doesn't make you inherently evil and doesn't justify you being murdered.' What an asshole I am.
He's going to be absolutely drowning in conjugal visits judging by the posts of my left leaning social media feeds.
Seething.
Being a CEO of a health insurance company which extracts profit by denying people healthcare makes you inherently evil.
Being a CEO of a mega-corporation in most cases is inherently evil to be honest, given most of them make their profits via exploitation in one sense or another.
Last edited by randomlegend; 10-12-2024 at 02:23 PM.
I mean...
They also allow people to get healthcare they couldn't otherwise afford. I can opt out from paying for their service any time I want.
This is the kind of childish statement that does piss me off.
"Allow people"
Yeah, because it makes them vast amounts of money, you moron. They made 16 billion dollars profit last year
It's true.
If you think you deserve to have a billion dollars then you're probably evil.
And they earn so much money because millions of persons rather have their service than not have it. Again, no one is forced to buy it.
We'll just have to accept that all bosses are bad people.
It honestly surprises me 8% of Americans are uninsured. I thought it would be bigger.
But why do they exist in the first place? That's the real problem.
Also how can people work for these corporations and not feel guilty? Looking at you, Nestle employees.
Probably a misleading stat. Not all coverage is equal. Even I have health insurance, but it extends to £200 of dentistry a year, a few prescriptions and a discounted gym membership.
@Pepe What's the alternative to "you don't have to have it". The next insurer may be too expensive, the next may not cover your pre-existing condition... Then you "choose" not too have any insurance and end up living in poverty because you had a $200,000 medical bill as you fell down the stairs and broke your leg. Genuine question, as you keep saying you aren't forced to have health insurance - but what's the trade off?
Nail on head with this and also why shooting a CEO will do little to change that. People are greedy and (in the main) will be as greedy as a system allows them to be.
Thames Water here, for example, are taking the absolute piss and they should be held to account for that. I wouldn't extend holding them to account to include shooting their CEO mind.
Half of the stuff you own will have come from exploitation. Ok, so that makes you nowhere near as bad as a healthcare CEO, but in that case does a light beating suffice rather than a public execution?
Shoot? Please, we're British, not American barbarians. We'll either stab Chris Weston or throw acid in his face.
I never said they deserved to die.
I just said this is what will happen.
I don't believe in the death penalty full stop, nonetheless vigilante executions.
That Severn Trent Water scam sounds a right doozy.
As is ever the case, shoot the accountants.
Then probably the lawyers.
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