General Election 2024: Gone on the 4th of July

[Luke Emia]

Ok, so this Labour stuff above I'm sure if we looked into the last parliament and the current one a lot of the MP's on all sides would be doing it. It doesn't look great but she hasn't broken any rules. If you don't like the rules then don't have them in the fucking first place. Seems like at the minute the Mail & Express are just throwing as much shit at the wall as possible and seeing what sticks.

Obviously doesn't mean that Labour haven't been far more fucking useless than was hoped for. They talked about competence which seemed to be Rishi's pitch as well from what I remember and it's not as bad as the two spastics who were in charge before but their communication since they entered power has been fucking useless.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I see Starmer has now banned advertising porridge oats, among other things.

[Boydy]

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Lol, lmao.

[Magic]

Centre right is absolutely toxic.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The mystery is how con are so high. Maybe Kemi Badenoch is Cutting Through [/lol]

[Lewis]

If Reform are consistently above them in the polls two years from now 'Kemi' will get the Iain Duncan Smith treatment. She has been pathetic in all of her House of Commons appearances up to now, and MPs think that they actually matter enough to have taken notice.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Unless they self-destruct, I'd have thought Reform will be above everyone in the polls two years from now.

[niko_cee]

Feels like it's been a bad month for presidential political systems, so at least we don't have to worry about President Nigel.

[Lewis]

Rupert Lowe appears to be the only Reform MP actually doing any work. They have kept the domestic abuser off the air, Nigel Farage just talks shit, and Richard Tice is a fanny.

[Lofty]

The only way to get rid of Farage as a permanent stalking horse now is he wins and is just massively corrupt and skimming all the cash he can whilst not delivering anything he promised.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't think he'd want to be Prime Minister. He doesn't have the work ethic or diligence even to do a crap, Boris Johnson-esque impression of the job. PM isn't President, the amount of poncing about in the job is minimal, it's mainly committees and briefing papers. He'd hand over I think.

[Spikey M]

The only way to get rid of Farage as a permanent stalking horse now is he wins and is just massively corrupt and skimming all the cash he can whilst not delivering anything he promised.

Last time I saw him in an interview he was saying "it's pointless trying mass deportations" and "I don't care about skin colour" in response to questions about the decline of White British people. That's not what most of his market wants to hear.

That said, the main Reform donor is a British Muslim - and one that's more right wing than Farage, if anything - so I'm not going to pretend I understand what's going on in the Far Right any more than I understand what's going on in the Far Left. Muslims for white supremacy vs feminists for trans-female athletes.

[Boydy]

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Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Boydy]

Also, Mandelson is our new ambassador to the US.

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How? What dirt does he have on people (and on whom) to still keep being so influential?

[Spikey M]

He's Trumps kind of guy to be fair.

[Boydy]

Fair point. Maybe he has some dirt on Trump from being Epstein's best mate.

[Magic]

You need to be a master of sleaze and corruption to have that role, as it says in the tweet great pick.

I guess the thinking behind it is to have the inside track so we can position ourselves accordingly and not be caught off guard by any lunacy.

[niko_cee]

Isn't it just the most high-profile grace-and-favour role going, what with the dazzling allure of the US and all?

We'd probably be better deploying the dark lord as ambassador to the EU, if we have one of those, if we wanted to put his chicanery to full use in the national interest.

[niko_cee]

Goodbye abolition of the Lords, hello Baroness Sue Gray.

[Boydy]

She was never elected to anything in the first place so no big change but you can't even get rid of the shit the electorate said no to any more:

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[Jimmy Floyd]

Bring back the hereditary peers.

[phonics]

While I believe in checks and balances and I'm no constitutional expert, I'm not Yevrah either, looking at both us and America, are our power structures written to factor in life expectancy increasing by 30-50 years since they were written in?

[Lofty]

Labour releasing a questionable AI video with lyrics about sexually abusing young girls on the backing track this week is quite the fuck up.

[Spikey M]

Found it.

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How do you even manage to fuck up that badly?

[Pepe]

[Ben]

Wow.

[SvN]

Even if you ignore the song, who the fuck thought that was a good idea? Seriously? Giant AI animals in human form?

[Spikey M]

It was something they put on TikTok apparently, which is for kids and retards, so it works.

[Pepe]

Aren't they supposed to be the lefties and therefore anti AI taking over artists' jobs?

I agree that the video is even worse than the music.

[randomlegend]

I mean the Muslamic Ray Guns being back in the news big time, I'm not sure you could pick a worse song than one which talks about punching a young girl's pussy.

[Spikey M]

Yeah, I mean, in a normal week it's a quick lolol and everyone moves on. THIS week? Congratulations on creating a load of new conspiracy theories.

[Jimmy Floyd]

AI slop graphics being taken seriously by PR types in the governing party is the start of a long and dismal road.

[Giggles]

If you wrote that for a TV show you'd be laughed out of the room for it being too far fetched.

[Spikey M]

If you wrote that for a TV show you'd be laughed out of the room for it being too far fetched.

It is increasingly feeling like we're being played with, but I think that's because the idea that this is part of a plan is more comforting than the realisation that absolutely everyone involved in running the country is completely useless, just like the last lot were.

[Yevrah]

I had the radio on in the car this morning and Farage was on LBC - he was very good and I'm increasingly of the belief that it's going to happen. This current lot and the Tories are sleepwalking into oblivion.

[Magic]

I had the radio on in the car this morning and Farage was on LBC - he was very good and I'm increasingly of the belief that it's going to happen. This current lot and the Tories are sleepwalking into oblivion.

I heard a clip of it. Why does he sound like a proper statesman now and not a total cunt? Something is up with all this. 100% nailed on next PM.

[Ben]

I heard a clip of it. Why does he sound like a proper statesman now and not a total cunt? Something is up with all this. 100% nailed on next PM.

Exactly because of what Yev said. He's no longer someone on the sidelines who needs to shout stupid shit to get heard. The incumbent have provided him the platform, so now he's front and centre it's more about not making a complete tit of yourself. And to be fair he got off to a strong start by telling Musk where to go.

[Luke Emia]

I heard a clip of it. Why does he sound like a proper statesman now and not a total cunt? Something is up with all this. 100% nailed on next PM.

Good let the cunt who’s been pissing into the tent from the outside for the last 20 years prove just how much of a charlatan he is and maybe we can move past all this culture and wars bullshit.

[SvN]

Farage is actually the favourite for next PM on Betfair. It's definitely happening.

[Yevrah]

Good let the cunt who’s been pissing into the tent from the outside for the last 20 years prove just how much of a charlatan he is and maybe we can move past all this culture and wars bullshit.

You say that as if Farage is the only one responsible for all of the culture wars bullshit, which is far from the case.

[Spikey M]

He's a conservative. His stance is basically "oh shut up" with regards to anything yer da would call woke. Blaming him for the culture wars is absurd.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm still not at all convinced by Farage, but disowning Musk is a very impressive (and not at all an obvious) move from him and if he somehow manages to transition into a serious politician over the next five years, and Reform itself doesn't collapse into a mess, then they're all going to have a serious problem on their hands. Quite big ifs, though.

[Spikey M]

I fear the right is moving further right than he is prepared to go and we will likely see another (further and maybe actually Far-right) right wing party pop up. Whether he likes it or not, his core voters like Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins and - whether it's going to happen or not - want mass deportations. Distancing himself is harming his chances.

He's probably far more palatable to normal people in his current guise and maybe Harvey Yevrah and Jimmy of Floyd would be prepared to vote for him, but if he loses his base supporters and a new version of the BNP pops up, he has split the vote of the right and he'll have no chance.

He will need to manage this very, very well to put it lightly. That said, Starmer is dropping a complete disasterclass and the Tories are still a joke, so who knows where we'll be in 4 years time.

[Ben]

Austria have just ditched their far right PM in favour of someone even more far right. Europe definitely a cycle ahead on these topics.

[Yevrah]

While I thought he handled the Musk thing very well (far better than any of the major party peeps seem to be able to do) he didn't really disown him, just pointed out that they don't agree on Tommy Robinson and that the US in general needs a bit of education when it comes to Yaxley-Lennon.

It was also refreshing to hear (seemingly honestly) that Musk's support is a big boost to reform. Night and Day away from the cloud cuckoo shit Labour have been doing with him, like that utterly pathetic and tragic move of not inviting him to that trade thing.

[randomlegend]

I'm still not at all convinced by Farage, but disowning Musk is a very impressive (and not at all an obvious) move from him and if he somehow manages to transition into a serious politician over the next five years, and Reform itself doesn't collapse into a mess, then they're all going to have a serious problem on their hands. Quite big ifs, though.

"Disowning" seems like quite a charitable interpretation of what's gone on with him and Musk. He basically said he doesn't agree with Musk's support of Tommy Robinson but would still love all his money, then Musk went on Twitter and called him a big whimpy girl.

[Yevrah]

"Disowning" seems like quite a charitable interpretation of what's gone on with him and Musk. He basically said he doesn't agree with Musk's support of Tommy Robinson but would still love all his money, then Musk went on Twitter and called him a big whimpy girl.

I've no doubt money plays a part, but he pressed home more the point that Musk's popularity with the young is giving Reform cool points. I've no idea whether either of those things are true or not. Most of the news I read just seem hell bent on painting the party as far right with very little substance on anything else, so quite difficult to ascertain.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Right and left are not really helpful terms anymore. If there's a spectrum it's from grey technocrat pragmatists at one end, to whatever Elon is up to at the other. That's why Starmer was so incensed by the latter spouting off, because he's at the far opposite end of what I think is the real spectrum these days.

Farage is probably quite centrist in this regard.

[Giggles]

Britain having a centrist PM would be great for the cause of bringing back normality. You can have your other small European countries but Britain along with the US would be huge.

[Magic]

It would be nice to have a PM with society's best interests at heart.