Got the xG win.
Got the xG win.
So we're the real winners today
Understat doesn't agree.
Also I see the Liverpool badge has changed "across digital and mobile platforms". No thanks.
United winning the transfer window by signing what looks to me like the Dutch Harry Maguire is going to be something that comes back to bite them in the arse down the line as well.
He’s a good player but he’s got no pace and when you pair him with another defender with no pace(be that Martinez or Maguire) you are always going to have problems. No way Yoro plays every week even when he’s fit.
The idea that some dumbfuck Americans can change the crest of Liverpool because it's a 'cleaner brand' should see the ambassador summoned to Downing Street, but no, apparently all this shit is a good idea because it means you can sign fucking awful players for tens of millions.
I turned on Man U / Liv earlier and lasted about 18 minutes. Just completely bored by it.
Got to say there's a certain irony in a crest being disparaged for DISRESPECTING HISTORY that is far closer to what they had from 1950-1992.Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd
From a design standpoint it's much nicer as well. Thankfully from the Arsenal side, alot of the retro adidas stuff has embraced my favourite Arsenal crest as they can't use the 90s ones due to it featuring Latin so can't be copyrighted.
My personal preference is just the Liver Bird with LFC below, so any from 2012-present, or 68-87 are good to me. However I can see why people are unhappy with the Hillsborough flame being removed, as well as the Shankly gate.
However it's a move towards as phonics states, a much more aesthetically pleasing design. It's a lot more marketable too and as such can be stuck onto any t-shirt/jacket/hat/pants you want to sell and doesnt look nearly as bad on there as the full crest did.
This is the problem the Weimar Republic faced. Confused brand messaging, too much going on. You just need a nice simple logo you can stick on an armband. Keep it simple.
Regardless of its historical merit I'm not a fan of the whole "LFC" thing, not least as a part of speech which has been heavily pushed for the last few years, in a similar way to the style guide mandate to say "the football club" but I guess that's probably again down to the fact that they can't IP protect "Liverpool".
Did you see lfc v rm in the ucl last week?
Estevăo might be neymar levels of good
He's had two games mate. Give him a chance to fail.
I do find Slot impressive when I hear him, and they look impressive, but there's definitely a very too-early narrative brewing that Klopp was all the problems.
Yeah, some fans getting a tad carried away. We'll still finish 2nd or 3rd, still missing a "proper 6". That said, a decent start all told.
Sturridge and Carragher were leaning strong into it on the coverage yesterday too. Maybe they're right as it looks promising, but it's early days.
I'm fully on that as well. You only need to look at how well Spurs started last season. When a new manager comes in there's still always some muscle memory from the old manager with certain things it's how the team does after that initial period which is always the difficult. But, he has made a decent start all be it we haven't played anyone decent yet.
I'm interested to see how the approach goes against City and Arsenal.
Not getting carried away yet. Can't be turning into another it's just the way we play, mate.
If he isn’t top by the second round of international fixtures, he’s a bum.
Dreadful from United yesterday. ETH won't last until the new year.
dots.
All aligning for a Southgate appointment during the next international break.
Fun little detail, they've just introduced maximum away fan ticket prices of 60 euros in the CL, 40 in the Europa and 20 (!) in the Conference League. Chelsea ownership are going to be absolutely fucking steaming.
Ocean Man off to Galatasaray on loan.
Fell flat on his face there.
Ten Hag's stubborn insistence that this suicideball tactic is the correct and only way we can play is quite bizarre. It's not at all how he played at Ajax. It seems to centre on the fact he doesn't have Frankie De Jong, without whom it is apparently impossible to play any other way but this.
Every single time we win possession, the instruction is clearly to just fly forwards as fast as possible (he alluded to this before when he said he thought we should be the fastest "transition" team in the world).
This means lots of risky passes (often necessarily played by players who are not cut out to play them, like Casemiro) played when the team is not in any shape to defend if the ball is given away. You'll see our fullbacks go extremely high as soon as we win the ball, for example, so if we give it away we are often outnumbered at the back, hence many of the easy cut-back or unmarked at the back post goals we concede.
It also means we very rarely have periods of sustained, calm possession which you need to control a game.
Were this tactic successful in an attacking sense - i.e. we were scoring a lot, but losing by conceding even more - you might be able to understand the logic in persisting as over time it may get better or individually better players may be able to pull it off. But that's not remotely the case, we score fuck all.
The players aren't shit. Our first 11 at the very least is a very good team; too many questions mark players to probably mount a serious title challenge, but we should be competing for 3rd, 4th, maybe even 2nd.
I admit I really thought Ten Hag might be "the guy", particularly with a proper footballing structure above him now INEOS are in charge. People can lol about it, but it makes a huge difference. You only need to look at how our transfer business was conducted this summer compared to previously to see a huge difference. But it increasingly looks like he needs to go. The issue - at it was over the summer and why they ultimately stuck with him - is who next?
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Big Jim sez it's the working from home wot done it.
Competing for 2nd? Delusional.
United need a Klopp type figure to turn it around.
Un/fortunately they're not ten-a-penny.
Think it's optimistic to say that United have a squad that should be looking at competing for second. They're miles behind Liverpool and Arsenal. A scrap for the 4th place trophy at best. Ten Hag has dug too big a hole to get out of now. As you say, two years on and the football is inexplicable.
I don't think modern football has the conditions for another Klopp to arise. Klopp did his early work at Mainz where he could bend everyone to his will. The Mainzes of today will have all have their own tinpot INEOS directors thinking they know best and getting some frat boy in to do the data and treating the coach as a disposable short-term appointments. There's no breathing room for big time coaches to develop anymore. If there is it might be further and further afield in leagues where there's less money to be won, maybe Scandinavia should be looked at for example.
Pep is a bit different but I find it very hard to divorce Pep from the fact that he has never had anything but the absolutely dominant squad in terms of wages and talent.
Might be the worst take in TTH history. That Man Utd team is just bang average. Knocking about with a spine of Onana, De Ligt/Martinez, Casemiro/Mainoo and Hojlund
Are they mandated to allot a minimum number of away tickets?
Has to be 5% of capacity.
5% is not too bad. Having equal pricing in all countries is an interesting choice.
Get 1950-1955 back in imo.Got to say there's a certain irony in a crest being disparaged for DISRESPECTING HISTORY that is far closer to what they had from 1950-1992.
From a design standpoint it's much nicer as well. Thankfully from the Arsenal side, alot of the retro adidas stuff has embraced my favourite Arsenal crest as they can't use the 90s ones due to it featuring Latin so can't be copyrighted.
The original one imo. A red devil of all things, and also what appears to be a merman.
As a mate of mine who goes to these European aways said, great, can they do something about a hotel in Zagreb that was 40 euros a night the day before the draw becoming 300 a night or the Easyjet flight there quadrupling in price?
Yeah, bring back Poseidon and the Merman!
What looks like a latin motto and all. They really threw the kitchen sink at it.
It also includes the Latin phrase, Deus Nobis Haec Otia Fecit, the motto of Liverpool, and commonly translated means, ‘God hath granted us this ease’.
I'm a twit
I quite like our current one. Didn't realise we switched to it so recently. As for Gateshead, the Angel of the North one is shite. Much prefer the older one that features an actual gate.
Top stuff.
Looking at this completely objectively and without bringing my club bias in, this just isnt true. If I look at the league table I can see mini groups forming. City clearly are the best team in the league followed by Arsenal and Liverpool. I'd say the latter two here are quite close, but Arsenal edge it.
United are nowhere near in the quality department of any of these teams. In a Best Mixed XI type scenario between any of those teams and United, there is only 1 player even getting a mention of getting in any and there is a better version of him at all 3 clubs.
Then there is the group of Villa, Spurs, Chelsea and Newcastle. Brighton might get involved here yet but that remains to be seen. Of this group there is a much better argument of United players getting in their teams, but even so, it's not wholesale. You would be/are in around the tail end of this group right now.
There is a real struggle with the acceptance of this at United. I know how it is. Liverpool went through this at least once in my lifetime and it's shite. But the sooner it is accepted that you are not the massive United of the Ferguson years any more and start to act and plan accordingly, the sooner you get back to the right end of the table.
Now there has been some slight improvement in buying the manager players he's actually asked for, over this summer. The problem is that manager is not up to task and needs moving on.
That's not what happened in the summer and basically the opposite of why it was better.
Going back and forth over how good players are is a waste of time, but this is just wrong.
I guess the real test is Haaland and Pep's lot PLEB ROLLING all of us to another TITLE
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I've seen exactly 0 minutes of Premier League ACTION so far this season, but my observations based solely on some noise are:
Slot may well turn out to be a very good Liverpool manager, but it's ridiculous to be proclaiming this after only three matches. He has had very little time to put his stamp on things and for that stamp (be it ultimately good or bad) to be seen on the pitch.
Man Utd are miles away from being as good as Liverpool, Arsenal or Man City. Top 4 (or 5 if that gets CL football) would be a very good season for them. The HOPE this season appears to be based on something that would underpin a "top 100 administrators in football" list and little else.
Man City continue to make the Premier League, as a spectacle at the top of it, very boring indeed.
Lol at Newcastle for being this fucking boring while being literally bankrolled by oil.
And lol at Chelsea, because it is all lol, but at least they're trying something different and therefore vaguely interesting.
Uniteds team plays very much below the quality that is there and with a different structure/atmosphere, probably would be higher and more entertaining. As it is, they're not. There's loads of pressure and a lot to prove. We don't have enough goals to be a top 4 team and be lucky to be top 8.
Says the man who's club can't afford to patch up the stadium roof despite being the biggest brand in the league. We'd spend the oil money in a heartbeat if the league would let us. And it's not been boring. We beat both Manchester clubs last season, thumped PSG, put 13 past Sheffield United, had to play Karius again (YAY!) and almost made Europe.
Last edited by Shindig; 03-09-2024 at 08:31 AM.
Does Yev own a club? I didn't have him down as a modern day Peter Stringfellow, but people surprise you.
Shindig has had a mare, there.
Yeah, have that Delia!
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