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    So, David Cameron's mother signed a petition against his cuts.

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    Oh and this one



    Good to know that fucking the vulnerable runs the family

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    Right-wing - uncaring and evil monsters. The left has a monopoly on morality (in their own minds).

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    Typical left wing fascists silencing the right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    Oh and this one

    Good to know that fucking the vulnerable runs the family
    He's a Muslim, so let's blame it on that.

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    Hadn't heard from Rosie in months. Glad she's keeping well.



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    You're about the last person I'd have expected to see post a video of cross-party backslapping at a crap joke.

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    That's not what I find funny, it's his constant reference to random people's emails and letters. I know that's not what they're laughing at but there's quite often a chortle when he reads out the name of anyone.

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    I would just make them up to wind Cameron up.

    'Delroy emails and asks...' *uncomfortable shifting already* '...whether the rhythm and blues musical ensembles of the day, which are worth £200 million to the UK economy, can expect further measures to aid their growth.'

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    Dear, oh dear. The 'gender pay gap' myth being used again on The Daily Politics now. It doesn't fucking exist!

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    Okay I'll bite.

    Have you got some proof of that? I've never realy studied it, so I don't know if it exists or not.

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    inb4 Milo Youtube video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byron View Post
    Okay I'll bite.

    Have you got some proof of that? I've never realy studied it, so I don't know if it exists or not.
    Yes, lots. Check myth number 5. Now this is the US, but it's the same argument. In actual fact, women under 40 earn MORE than men for the same work in this country.

    http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/

    MYTH 5: Women earn 77 cents for every dollar a man earns—for doing the same work.

    FACTS
    : No matter how many times this wage gap claim is decisively refuted by economists, it always comes back. The bottom line: the 23-cent gender pay gap is simply the difference between the average earnings of all men and women working full-time. It does not account for differences in occupations, positions, education, job tenure or hours worked per week. When such relevant factors are considered, the wage gap narrows to the point of vanishing.


    Wage gap activists say women with identical backgrounds and jobs as men still earn less. But they always fail to take into account critical variables. Activist groups like the National Organization for Women have a fallback position: that women’s education and career choices are not truly free—they are driven by powerful sexist stereotypes. In this view, women’s tendency to retreat from the workplace to raise children or to enter fields like early childhood education and psychology, rather than better paying professions like petroleum engineering, is evidence of continued social coercion. Here is the problem: American women are among the best informed and most self-determining human beings in the world. To say that they are manipulated into their life choices by forces beyond their control is divorced from reality and demeaning, to boot.

    Why do these reckless claims have so much appeal and staying power? For one thing, there is a lot of statistical illiteracy among journalists, feminist academics and political leaders. There is also an admirable human tendency to be protective of women—stories of female exploitation are readily believed, and vocal skeptics risk appearing indifferent to women’s suffering. Finally, armies of advocates depend on “killer stats” to galvanize their cause. But killer stats obliterate distinctions between more and less serious problems and send scarce resources in the wrong directions. They also promote bigotry. The idea that American men are annually enslaving more than 100,000 girls, sending millions of women to emergency rooms, sustaining a rape culture and cheating women out of their rightful salary creates rancor in true believers and disdain in those who would otherwise be sympathetic allies.

    My advice to women’s advocates: Take back the truth.

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    Exactly, that's a crap study, it doesn't mean there isn't a gender pay gap though.

    What the Adam Smith institute was calling for was a comparison of like to like jobs whereas from 2018 the government will only collect the median amount of men and women hired by a company which is just shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    Exactly, that's a crap study, it doesn't mean there isn't a gender pay gap though.

    What the Adam Smith institute was calling for was a comparison of like to like jobs whereas from 2018 the government will only collect the median amount of men and women hired by a company which is just shit.
    No, there is a gender pay gap, but it's got nothing to do with 'sexism'. It's because men have better jobs because they work more hours, take less holidays and take much less leave in terms of childcare. And the most obvious one is that men tend to be more goal and money orientated in terms of work than women.

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    Men get paid more because they are superior to women in every way. But there is no gender wage gap. Okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair View Post
    The 'gender pay gap' myth being used again on The Daily Politics now. It doesn't fucking exist!
    Just going to quote this before Harold goes on a semantic argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    Men get paid more because they are superior to women in every way. But there is no gender wage gap. Okay.
    Where did I say any such thing? If anything, having more of a focus on family life is more laudible than an autistic and pathological drive to earn more money and climb the ladder.

    Quote all you like, I've already provided eveidence that the gender pay gap, as they use it, does not exist. Women earn MORE than men for the same work.

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    He's right in that the headline figure is total bollocks. That doesn't highlight like-for-like pay discrepancies, but does highlight that certain professions and fields and still almost exclusively male, which is an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair View Post
    Where did I say any such thing?
    I literally quoted you saying 'It doesn't fucking exist' directly above this post.

    edit: Don't bother getting in a strop and posting six paragraphs by the way. I'm not Toby or Lewis. I'm done. I just wanted to show you predictable you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davgooner View Post
    He's right in that the headline figure is total bollocks. That doesn't highlight like-for-like pay discrepancies, but does highlight that certain professions and fields and still almost exclusively male, which is an issue.
    Is it an issue that miners are almost exclusively male? Or does that not matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post
    I literally quoted you saying 'It doesn't fucking exist' directly above this post.

    edit: Don't bother getting in a strop and posting six paragraphs by the way. I'm not Toby or Lewis. I'm done. I just wanted to show you predictable you are.
    And it doesn't. IN THE WAY IT IS BEING USED. It doesn't exist in any kind of sexist way - it exists because women make different lifestyle choices and tend towards a more balanced home/work life than men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair View Post
    Is it an issue that miners are almost exclusively male? Or does that not matter?
    I don't give a shit about miners, no.

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    I think what it comes down to is that people with certain worldviews get mad about facts. Such as men working loneger hours and being more work orientated than women. I'm not sure what there is to be mad about.

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    The 'wage gap' as it tends to be reported is balls, and when ladies moan about male-dominated professions they only tend to mention the well-paying comfortable office ones. It's a complete non-issue really, but the fact it can never be solved is perfect for politicians and the other SOMETHING MUST BE DONE bastards looking for something to solve with posturing and shit legislation.

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    I missed This Week so I got a lol out of this when catching up



    Andrew Neil

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    Speaking of gaps, it's full steam ahead on the boundary review. They need a better review than the last one though. It was a right shitfest, cutting across all sorts of historic boundaries and what have you. Just make places like Liverpool and Birmingham one big seat and you're sorted.

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    I actually think it's difficult to disagree with the principles behind the boundary review. That it causes difficulty for Labour is obviously unfortunate for them, but given there exists a bias in the system in their favour they're on somewhat thin ground when claiming it's being undertaken for "political reasons".

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    Douglas talking to Italaussie:





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    Did he mention his support for everything that has led to the instability and dislocation?

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    I don't think he supported the post-war policies, which is what led to the instability and dislocation.

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    He supported taking the Libyan government out (and with it Europe's southern border, hence the boats) and wanted to get rid of the Syrian one. The European response to it all has been piss poor, but it was a response to something largely caused by bollocks policies on our part.

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    The governments in the west place too much stock in supporting 'rebels' when a situation kicks off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    He supported taking the Libyan government out (and with it Europe's southern border, hence the boats) and wanted to get rid of the Syrian one. The European response to it all has been piss poor, but it was a response to something largely caused by bollocks policies on our part.
    It's always a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. The common denominator here is Islam and how incredibly fucked up the arabs are.

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    How would we have been damned by not intervening in Libya and Syria?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis View Post
    How would we have been damned by not intervening in Libya and Syria?
    Well there would have been people shitting themselves about human rights abuses, and why aren't we doing anything. Check Rwanda.

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    Oh no. Not complaints. Where will we house them all?

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    The point being, there's no way of knowing what would have happened if 'the other option' was chosen. These Muslamic Arabs will always find a way to make THE WEST think it's THE WEST's fault.

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    It sounds like a great way to absolve yourself of advocating disastrous policies when said policies were based on a refusal to engage with historical precedent, readily-available information, and common sense. How could we have known that Libya was a non-country held together by corruption based around a particular family that, whilst shithouses, effectively suppressed the worst elements of Islamism whilst receiving European Union money to keep African migrants at bay? I don't know. There was simply no way of knowing that.

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    It's pretty easy being wise after the event. It's not as if those shithouses were going to be in power forever.

    I'm fairly certain nobody predicted ISIS and the millions of muslamic migrants before or during the Iraq war.

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    The Muslims going mental was a more likely prediction than everybody bumming under the rainbow together, which is why we support these people in the first place (or did when adults were in charge). It's the very definition of a conservative (that is to say historically-minded) foreign policy. If it can go to shit, it will; so leave it alone.

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    Douglas Murray (QE) does NOT tolerate white guilt.


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    That Labour broadcast needed more Jezza and less Hardworking Families. The MPs featured all sounded like thickos as well.

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    They're literally telling mum jokes and invoking the dead in PMQs today. What a shambles.

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    Corbyn has the biggest open goal in history this week - the government in open internal warfare - and he does this. Complete thicko idiot.

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    Not a single, dissenting voice on the EU there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair View Post
    Not a single, dissenting voice on the EU there.
    Where?

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    PMQ's

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    Quote Originally Posted by QE Harold Flair View Post
    PMQ's
    If you'd have been paying attention to Laura Kuenssberg (but she's a woman so I assume you stopped listening immediately) after PMQs she noted that there's been a whip to stop anti-EU questions so the party can seem more united than it is when it comes to the NHS/ Jr. Doctors nonsense. Hence why all the questions were 'Would the Right Honorable Prime Minister tell everyone this good thing in my constituency is great please?'

    edit: Although they did manage to sneak in that one about the Government backing 'Stay' and that being unfair to 'Leave' which I thought was a bit lol.

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