Rumours they could lose North West Norfolk round here which is about as safe a seat as they come and only returned anyone other than a Tory once in the last 50 years. They really could actually be properly wiped out for the incompetence since 2015 and I am here for it.
Their rebuild is going to be interesting. LURCHING TO THE RIGHT has achieved nothing for them here, so what do they do? Head back towards the centre? Or head even further right?
Lib Dems as the official opposition is my greatest hope for this election now.
Merge with Reform, Farage takes over. Fascism in 2029.Originally Posted by Spikey M
Depends on the specific number of seats and who the MPs are that are left. If they are still in 2nd place (is still an if, I believe) then presumably Kemi Badenoch will have held on and she'll lead a pointless William Hague 97-01 style existence. If they do a bit better than they might get Nige in to run a permanent culture war, even though I think peak culture war era has probably passed now as the woke tide recedes. If they are third then it doesn't matter because Ed Davey will be at the dispatch box thanking the Prime Minister for his efforts every week and the opposition will form outside the democratic process.
That's Sir Ed Davey to you.
We can only pray this happens and THIS IS ENGLAND kicks us out.
Yeah, a hardline nationalist government would be an awful thing for Scotland.
Again, what about the highest taxes, spending, and immigration on record is 'lurching to the right'? Can somebody answer this?
The LURCH has been over the last 6 months to a year.
Trying to bring back National Service and trying to deport immigrants to Rwanda in particular is twerking for the right wing of the party, trying to see off Reform UK.
Lots of countries have national service, so it isn't a left/right thing (especially when most of it would just be people doing drudge work on behalf of the local council), and an actually right-wing immigration policy would either have no need for the Rwanda scheme or would have implemented it by now instead of bleating about 'lefty lawyers' in the Telegraph. I suppose the main failure of the Conservative Party is to talk enough shit to make people think they are a right-wing government whilst not actually doing right-wing things that might have saved them.
They aren't being punished for being right wing (they aren't particularly right wing by any usual measure), they're being punished for being useless and for using a certain tranche of society as a client electorate, something you can get away with for a while but which always comes back to bite you in the end. The big tent is undefeated.
Who is this Rwanda stuff meant to be appealing to then?
Can they get rid of him during the campaign?
That's risky unless they speedrun the leadership contest.
This would be very very funny.
FT model a few days ago had him with only 6% gap to Labour so its entirely feasible.
Pricks.
What is the Rwanda stuff, anyway? Who is being sent there and why there?
Rather than process illegal immigrants in the UK, the plan is to fly them to Rwanda instead.
Illegal immigrants and because the risk of being sent to a shithole is meant to stop them coming here in the first place. The risk of being sent to Luton and Bradford hasn't worked though, so I'm not sure why this would. And the number they're planning to send is tiny anyway.
Immigrants from Rwanda or immigrants from anywhere? Who are they planning to send? Criminals or just randos?
Not sure I want to move to Rwanda.
It's a stupid headline-seeking measure enacted because they want to be seen to be against immigration, but don't want to actually cut it because 'business' is addicted to cheap labour.
Why are they having a major debate tonight at the same time as the England game?
And also, I'd love to see where this cheap labour is. Is it all just deliveroo/amazon drivers? Country is dying for it in the building trade as far as I can see.
Just illegal immigrants in general
I think its what brown people like Sunak., Braverman and Patel think white people want and because they are brown they feel like they have to really play the card to make sure they get votes.
If it's been any sort of a deterrent then it's a solid enough idea.
The ginger growler is having a ginger howler so far. Why are Labour so bad at these?
The Rwanda scheme is born out of the fact that Conservative politicians, for all that they would like to click their fingers and end illegal boat crossings, remain unwilling to remove the incentives that encourage them because doing so would require them to challenge a load of Blair-era (and Blairite) rights laws, and this would mean standing up to people who would never vote for them under any circumstances anyway (many of them taxpayer-funded). In some respects it perfectly encapsulates their fourteen (twenty?) years of failure, but the same inaction it can be seen across pretty much every department.
Negative.
Its not the incentives is not sorting the processing of them out better then. Rather than pissing money up the wall on shite like Rwanda. If people arent genuine asylum seekers I have no issue with them being sent home. but it takes far to long to process people because we dont put enough resource into it. You could fix the problem by fucking the people who you dont want in the country off within say a month if you resourced it properly but we dont. Oh and by the way the annual refusal rate was higher under Labour than it is now. By quite some distance.
In 2023 11% of immigration was asylum seekers this is what all this shit around immigration constantly dances around. People on the boats arent the issue the issue is the number of people who are legally let into the country under the rules, dont forget we have total control over these rules because we got our sovereignty back.
The answer for any government if they wanted to do it is to tighten the entry requirements. We can argue the toss over if we think thats the right or wrong thing to do but its a pretty easy fix the government dont want to do.
We don't put enough resources into processing (plenty of money for hotel rooms though), but we also accept far too many people on lol human rights grounds such as people liable to be attacked back in Somalia because they are sex offenders; people with mental problems that African countries can't treat; people who pretend to change their religions; people who paid to be smuggled over and now owe criminals money so can be classed as victims of modern slavery; and so on and so on. Aren't they incentives? Is the free legal representation by people who know how to game the system whilst your claim is slowly processed an incentive? Is a hotel room during it all an incentive? What about the ability to work illegally here with nobody checking it? That we then refuse to deport anyone who somehow gets through the process without being accepted tops it all off. It isn't just a case of not having enough case workers on the payroll. All that would do is accept people at a quicker rate, because none of the other incentives will have been changed.
Immigration is a clusterfuck in most BIG nations. Basically impossible to immigrate if you are qualified and want to work, but grifters just make it in no problem. Then you wonder why many people hate immigrants.
Home grown grifters seem to do well too. Hmm.
Therefore let's welcome all grifters amirite?
No because then it's not a grift. Oh, I see!
Fully open borders would probably work better than the current default, to be fair.
Atleast you'll be feeling similarly dejected about the nations prospects whichever you chose.
Claiming they are useless ascribes to them a degree of innocence they far from deserve.
They are a deeply corrupt, reprehensible, vile bunch of cunts who exist solely to further their own interests and those of their rich friends. They see you, me, and anyone else outside their circle as pond scum. Anyone who still votes for them has the self-respect of a Dubai porta potty.
As I have been saying for years.
France have decided they want in and have called a snap election.
So heartwarming to see our European cousins embracing the far right. Really can teach us filthy racists over here a thing or two.
I don't think anyone had a problem with it, more that you never wanted to admit it and came up with a hundred other reasons. Far right (to use the lefts term) is the way forward, it has to be at this stage.
On that quiz thing, my top 3 were:
Conservatives
BNP
UKIP
Fucking hell. Labour were near the bottom for me.
Agreed. Many people incorrectly associate the modern day far right with Adolf's season in bloom.
I did that fucking stupid quiz and I'm apparently 93% lib dem.
On a more positive note, I just did my yearly rewatch of the robin cook resignation speech. I've heard some fairly convincing chat that it wasn't quite as principled and sincere as it comes across, and was as much motivated by intra-party manoeuvring, but I don't really give a shit. It's fucking quality.
Wasn't Robin Cook entirely motivated by keeping his Foreign Secretary gaffe and getting pissed up therein? Which was fair enough.
It's all gone a bit Springtime for Hitler over there. What is Manu Mac trying to do, a 'Who governs France?' type of confidence vote?
He's trying the presidential election trick, where you are forced to pick between one of the mainstream parties and Le Pen, on a parliamentary level. Seems fraught with danger but he's probably at the zero fucks given stage now as the republic is very much not en marche.
What the fucking hell are you talking about
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