It’s cheaper to not have to accommodate your entire workforce in buildings.
It’s cheaper to not have to accommodate your entire workforce in buildings.
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It's more expensive to have cunts at the gym or watching judge judy when they should be working though.Originally Posted by Baz
Yeah, because people don't waste time in offices
They centrainly won't waste as much, which is less than all.
Not when half the MDs in the ad are clearly dialling in. Fuck 'em.
I don't mind the office days but my motive for remote working has always been to make the years of toil go faster.
The Russian in my office often chooses to work from home (he's at that level of pseudo-seniority where he can do that) and he just drinks heavily all day. You can tell because if you call him at 3pm he can barely string a sentence together.
There will be some people that take advantage of not being watched when they're at home. However, there are others that take advantage of being surrounded by other people and chat all fucking day.
I deliberately save my court prep and applications for days I'm working from home for that exact reason. I can actually concentrate and get shit done without having to tell Janice what I'm having for dinner and what I have planned for the weekend.
People need to be watched.
And they are. Productivity is accounted for at every place I've worked. If I decide to slack it's because I've earned it with TOP PERFORMANCES.
Or I get days like today where the inbox never stops.
If it was actually causing any significant loss in productivity or revenue all the big firms would be dragging everybody back in and you'd have to be thick as fucking mince to think they'd let their bottom line suffer at the cost of employee satisfaction because none of them give a shit about that anyway. Giggles is just being another miserabilist about this stuff who thinks anybody else being even a bit happier must mean he's less happy, somehow.
The wasters will do nothing wherever they are, if they're in the office they'll just put their effort into not doing anything useful. Usually more effort than it'd take to do their jobs. At least if I'm at home they can't waste my time too.
And listen, there are definitely jobs / industries / fields / whatever where being in and around your colleagues is beneficial, mine is absolutely not one of them. And mine is also one where it's no more or less difficult to track how much work we're doing, whether we're in the office or at home.
Presumably runs the account.
People can be digitally surveilled. They can monitor keyboard strokes etc. If people don't deliver the goods they get their P45, as already said WFH jobs are very attractive so only mugs abuse them and lose them.
Just depends on your work culture, pre covid one of my team regularly wandered out of the office shopping for hours but it was accepted because he also worked above and beyond when he was at his desk. My wife's work on the other hand is super strict and therefore whenever they are given leeway someone takes the piss and spoils it.
A bit like countries legalising all drugs, everyone didn't immediately go on the hunt for smack.
I would argue there's a ton of cases of employees willing to work that extra hour when needed if they are at home.
I hate working from home. I need the release knowing my home is my place outside of work. COVID made me hate my life, just get out of bed, walk over to the computer, sit there for 8 hours, then sit there for another 5 hours doing not work stuff, then walk back to the bed. If only it wasn't all BLOVID and I actually died I probably would have been happier.
I work from home 99% of the time and every 6-8 weeks head to HQ for a few days. I'm able to work without someone looking at me because I like being paid. I agree with yev (shock?) about younger less experienced people benefiting from the office environment and being able to learn by osmosis.
In a further shocking development I agree with that post entirely Kik’s. The people will skive if you let them work from home is such a non-argument. Just give them more work if they are.
It is definitely better to have someone on hand you can ask about advice. Rather than sending them an email and waiting for a response.
I'm 3 or 4 years in to basically full time work from home and I think it'll be difficult to get back into any job that's obligated office time. I do like going in when I visit Berlin but it's also pretty tiring as you end up spending more time in meetings. I wouldn't mind having the choice and probably would end up going a few times a week or month.
You can just ring them though, or even Teams/Zoom call them with a shared screen.
The latter can't be done on our current gear.Team leaders can screenshare on their laptops. Us plebs can't.
I’ve been invited to be part of a group photo with the police tomorrow, not sure how I feel about it. Do I go all in, front and centre, or skulk at the back behind someone tall.
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Front and centre sporting a BLM t-shirt.
Ask them if you can hold one of their guns.
Stand next to Sting
Decline the invite.
Well that’s not happening, cos it gets me out the office for a while.
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I’ll post the pic here and you can all see my guardian angel
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You're fucking obsessed.
Spent tonight looking at jobs outside of teaching. The Head of Year role is so relentlessly negative, it's utterly draining me and I'm getting very little joy from actually teaching at the moment. I'll look for other jobs just teaching before I pack it in, unless something amazing comes up - trouble is, I'm not really sure what I'm looking for.
Wife is in the same position. She moved into specialist provision this year as a last throw of the dice at staying in teaching, but overall it's not any better. She's actively trying to get out.
You didn't mention she was going. Just stand as close as you can behind her.I’ll post the pic here and you can all see my guardian angel
Slip a finger in, you can always blame it on a copper.
This sounds quite sad.
I have noticed in my daughter's secondary school, which, to my untrained eye looks like it's run by quite an aggressive/forward thinking/surveillance state Trust, that a lot of the teachers are young, which they seem to specifically aim target [my assumption]. Is that just a fresh meat for the grinder type thing? Of does it differ wildly depending on where you are, in terms of being awful or not being awful?
Wherever I go, she comes along for the lols.
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There's a few ex-teachers in my office and they just laugh maniacally when I ask if they'd ever go back.
My missus is at a RC this year and 60% of her class are foreigners. Said it’s the best and easiest class she’s had (only 3.5 years mind
Avoid the CS at all costs.
Older teachers are too expensive and are all leaving/have left anyway. It's an absolutely awful job.
I was having a beer with my teacher friend the other day and he lives in a sort of cloud of loving it so much that the issues don't matter to him. They have no staff, can't recruit, those who are there are mostly crap and paid crap, kids are a nightmare, white kids are all delinquent, Muslim parents giving it large about what's in the curriculum, you name it. I said how awful, and he it's not awful, it's great.
Probably the best way to approach it, because if you approach it like a normal job then you'll surely just end up at Mo's stage.
My colleague, who has some of the more adventurous countries as his accounts, is off to warzone Ethiopia next week as previously mentioned. As if that wasn't nerve-wracking enough, he's had some bad news this morning from Uzbekistan. Some little bearings that we sold to a mining company have failed and blown up three engines in massive mining machines. They're demanding a visit to inspect and assess the damage. As a result of this, more or less as soon as he returns from Ethiopia, he's going to have to get on a plane to Tashkent, then get on a three-hour train out to Samarkand, and then from there get in a car for 4-5 hours to visit the mine itself.
Whatever money he's on, I suspect it isn't remotely enough. He's such a yes man though that he'll just dutifully do it. Not even like he made a mistake or caused the problem.
I hear Uzbekistan is lovely this time of the year.
What good is it going to do to send a salesman all the way out to inspect whatever has happened unless the plan is to just kill him?
Uzbekistan is a great country to visit. Sheperd's pie stocks low and not enough marketed walking tours to get your NHS prescribed steps in but rest assured, it's a great place.
My mate's dad used to contract in Uzbekistan on a good wedge until he foolishly slagged off the local tradesmen as lazy fuckers, they had a whip round for a hit man and he had to do a moonlight flit.
Jimmy's colleague isn't coming back, is he?
Diplomacy.
Of course he is.
Just bit by bit, with ransome notes.
You send an engineer for that.
At work, we once had someone withholding their rent because such a sup-par effort had been made of fixing their leaking ceiling. He demanded I come and look at it. I asked why. "So you can see why I'm not paying!"
Ahhh, I see. So you want to rub my nose in it, basically? Yeah. No thanks. I didn't do it. I didn't fail to fix it. I lack the skill set to fix it. Me visiting achieves nothing. Phone the repairs team.
That's how that conversation should go.
Last edited by Spikey M; 16-01-2024 at 01:57 PM.
Did the police photo, I’m at the back but bang in the middle, like Moses crossing the parted sea. Hope I make the paper.
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Because she's contractually obliged, or through her own free will?
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