Aren't they just attention seeking mongs for the most part? Hence why so many of them seem to be 'divergent' in some way or other. This isn't some grass roots rainbow warrior type movement, which is probably why their entire movement is so shit.
Aren't they just attention seeking mongs for the most part? Hence why so many of them seem to be 'divergent' in some way or other. This isn't some grass roots rainbow warrior type movement, which is probably why their entire movement is so shit.
They're no Swampy, everything really was better in the 90's.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-65776291
This Bournemouth beach stuff is properly weird. Why are they being so secretive with the details? They've confirmed nobody jumped from the peir and nobody was hit by a "vessel", but they won't go further that saying the geezer they have arrested was "on the water". Not if it was a boat, or what type of boat, or if anything has been siezed.
Was the geezer sailing around on a dildo powered nonce mobile or something?
They likely don't want eye witness statements tainted by reading about it on the news and repeating what they've read rather than what they saw.
Or there's a wicked killer shark.
They should get that guy who solved the river murder to check it out.
They don't need normal people to support them. The government is on their side (albeit on a slightly less idiotic timetable), the courts and police are on their side, and most of popular culture is on their side. Normal punters backing them would instantly render it a low status cause. The real question, and one which convinces me that they are just losers and old people with too much time on their hands, is why are they only blocking roads and being a bit annoying? If you really believed that current fossil fuel usage was a death sentence for humanity you would be blowing things up and killing important people.Originally Posted by Kikó
What message would that be?
I'm not engaging with a climate change denier.
Hang on gents, let me get the popcorn.
I am not a climate change denier.
Genuinely curious what "the message" is, because it surely isn't only 'stop oil lol', right?
I mean their message is 'Just Stop Oil' which is gonna kinda get done eventually. Dumb, small scale acts of disruption isn't going to do it. It's just going to make a snooker table orange or ruin a perfectly good pair of goalposts.
That the climate change industry is too big a behemoth to stop now.
The climate change industry is much bigger than the industries causing climate change.
I think the theme is more generally about changing reliance on fossil fuels and trying to force the pace on it (with these dumb stunts).
What an original message that is.
It is not, but as Lewis says, it is definitely the far more popular side. Who needs convinced at this point that we need to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels? Giggles and I?
EDIT: Now, if the pace of change is not fast enough for the activists, maybe they should change their message to "invest in battery technology research" or something.
The UK has already switched away from fossil fuels at a rapid pace. They just need a job and a good bottle of Radox.
The only way a large scale switch from "energy source A" to "energy source B" ever occurs is when B becomes cheaper than A. Nothing else matters.
If we really needed to do it then it would actually be being done, rather than just using it to sell shit and raise prices.
Spunking millions on a new coal mine in Cumbria.
Yeah, but that's just to secretly bury northerners in.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65783589
The absolute state of him.
He walks - small steps, clenched fists - like my demented grandad walks.
He’ll be 86 by the end of a second term if he gets re-elected.
They might as well elect The Rock at this point.
President Kamala.
He's dead.
A dead legless wrestler would be better than their current options.
Saying all that, his presidency has managed to pass 300 bills with bipartisan support so I think he's doing something right.
Just get the guy a wheelchair and he can push through some disability laws.
Gerald Ford was a bit of a tumbler and FDR cheated so I reckon that puts Joe third in the crip stakes.
His presidency will have been worth it just for the ultra seethe in April alone.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...led-in-england
Was thinking of putting it in the AI thread. Not a bad study to be selected for either.
£1600 p/m in East Finchley would probably barely cover rent nowadays
So we're trialling Communism?
The fact it's regardless of income and anonymous could really, really skew the outcome of this.
Plan or 'hope' for it? If you want to plan for it, actually prioritise those groups.Anyone from the areas is able to put themselves forward to take part and can remain anonymous. While participants will be drawn randomly, the organisers plan for it to be a representative group and to be made up of 20% of people with disabilities.
An army of gammons seem to be bleating about UBI. No Sophie, you 'grafting' in your shitty £30k non-job isn't a viable future plan.
UBI is like that demand football fans have to be able to buy a TV package with one team's games. Never going to happen, no matter how much you want it to.
Surely UBI will need to happen at some point when population far outweighs jobs (AI will hoover up a lot in time). Maybe not in the immediate future but it's an inevitability eventually.
They'll find more jobs. A society with time on its hands is a recipe for chaos.
Breaking people's spirits seems to be the goal these days, not keeping them busy.
Yeah, I'm sure AI will come for all the jobs one day, but the risk of automation seems to be massively overstated. So long as there is a supply of cheap people they are better/cheaper 'AI units' than some highfalutin robots. There are loads of things that you would think would have been automated by now but are largely done by swathes of poorly paid proles [putting tuna into tins always a favourite example of mine - but so much of food production still relies heavily on people as they are cheaper and better at it than machines/systems]. I was reading the other day about the car wash sector, and how it is an interesting example of automation versus cheap human labour. Through the 80s there was an obvious drive towards automation [ie car washes] but then as borders opened up and large amounts of exploitable labour became available the costs of those systems became uncompetitive against the costs of running the 'hand washes' which became ubiquitous in the 2000s. There is some move back the other way in recent years I believe. Thought it was a fascinatingly low-tech window into the idea of automation versus human labour in the 21st century.
Unless they're rich landowner/gentry, in which case it's fine? Just the proles who must toil
There are so few of them that it doesn't make any difference. If you had a £1600pm UBI then basically anyone doing a shit job would leave their shit job. Now, I wouldn't blame them for doing so, but it would collapse everything in on itself.
I think this is probably pretty accurate on UBI.
I don't think there's any way it's actually workable. Or desirable to be honest. It feels quite Orwellian. The rich use their fancy machine's to print infinite money and the purposeless plebs eat the crumbs that fall from the table.
I'll pass.
How's that different to the current situation?
At present you have the ability to improve your skill set and increase your income. With UBI it is essentially the rich and Kiko saying "you're not needed anymore. This is your lot now".
People would be bang up for having a bit of extra spending money now, but fast forward 30 years, when there's precious little work and everyone just lives off UBI... That's pure dystopia.
UBI isn't designed to kill off jobs and personal ambition.
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