Seems legit.
In other news, Putin seems to be trying to damage the nord streams.
Seems legit.
In other news, Putin seems to be trying to damage the nord streams.
I would have tried to aim for about seventy per cent to add a bit of realism, so fair play.
It’s so they can conscript Ukrainians because the Russians back at home have told them to fuck off.
That seems like it would be a really bad idea, even by Russian standards.
Looks a possibility. Russian state media have also ran stories basically floating the idea they might mobilise POWs too, which is a massive no-no.
This is all from ISW by the way who only use open sources.
How the hell do you mobillise Prisoners of War? Good luck with that one.
We either need to down tools and take the role of mediators on, or intervene properly now. This has gone on long enough and needs stopping one way or another.
Someone's gone and blown up the Nordstream 2 pipe line.
Didn't Biden say something about if Russia invaded Ukraine they would end the pipeline?
Yeah, enough is enough.
(Unless we're dealing with a false flag attack).
It would be some serious 4D chess for Russia to have done it, seeing as they could just turn it off. Why wreck the pipeline, and why do it outside of their own territorial waters? If the Americans have done it then it's nice to know that they can unilaterally decide their supposed ally's energy policies for them.
Who's your money on?
The only interested people that could do it are America, Russia, us, and probably Norway. America stands to benefit the most, and if Germany had any balls they would now remove themselves for all of this.
I'm not really sure what to compare it to in recent times, but blowing up pipelines sounds like properly serious shit.
Those pipelines were Putin's leverage over Germany - which is pretty clearly the weakest NATO partner Ukraine has right now. By removing the pipelines, you remove Russia's leverage over Germany I guess.
If it was the Americans wouldn't they be the main benefactors of this because of the abundance of LNG from fracking they now have?
Or this is Putin attempting to keep the gas price high and Europe on its knees.
Probably his last throw of the dice.
Only Stream1 feeds Germany, isn't it? Which has been pretty much turned off for weeks.Originally Posted by Andrew
It's probably extinction rebellion. More chance them than the fucking yanks anyway.
lol at Lewis trying to get the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact band back together.
Or y'know, could just be a leaky pipe.
Not sure if serious.
Here’s the President of the United States saying that the US will stop NordStream 2 back at the start of the year https://twitter.com/abc/status/14907...Uo-bRwy6hX7bcA
Chairman of the EU-US delegation thanking the USA for the pipeline explosions…. https://twitter.com/radeksikorski/st...Uo-bRwy6hX7bcA
This is some strong Reuters headlining.
Too strong it seems, it's vanished.
I can see Russia blowing it up for internal reasons and to try and drive a wedge between the anglophones and Germany/Manny Mac.
America blowing it up would be pretty unsubtle even for them.
Wouldn't surprise me if the last few years are anything to go by that it turns out Godzilla is to blame.
Well we've had plague, famine and war, so it must be about time for a mega monster.
Times must be pretty good for any doomsday cult leaders out there right now.
Russian lines collapsing in Lyman.
Russia's Lyman
By all accounts it’s looking like Putin is trying to freeze the war along current battle lines so they can regroup over the winter but even that isn’t holding. They’ve had to send Tatars to Kherson to bolster the defence but they’ve been historically marginalised by ethnic Russians so can’t imagine they’re all that motivated to defend the motherland. Russia is really unravelling in the last month or so.
And it looks like it's fallen. Doubt anyone actually died though /Lewis
It's all part of the plan.
You need to follow a better mix of accounts. Russia counter-attacked yesterday to keep the road open, and they got most of them back. It's a loss for them, but they started pulling the plug once it became clear that Ukraine was pouring men in to disrupt the annexation festivities. As for Kherson, whoever is holding the line there has been having the time of their lives whack-a-moling the various Ukrainian wave attacks that have more than likely cost them more casualties than they admit to having suffered since February.
The interesting thing from now on is how the rules of engagement change. Reserves can free up better troops for more critical sectors, but the 'Special Military Operation' restricted a lot of stuff that would otherwise have made sense, like large scale attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure. Hoying something through the middle of this is one to watch.
Send some twitter accounts over. Happy to balance my Ukraine biased reporting.
Also big fan of the full swing into full on evangelical mentalism as seen here
Just follow ISW. Yeah they're American but they only use open source information. For example, they'll only comment on Ukraine liberating towns if Russian milbloggers confirm it or there's footage which can be geolocated and chronolocated. It's not really up for argument that Ukraine are making massive advances in the East, including Lyman. However, their ongoing self-imposed silence in the South probably tells you all you need to know about their success there at the moment.
I'm hearing Putin changed the papers after losing it so I stand corrected.Russia's Lyman
Edit: fake news.
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So much for the Kherson direction being locked down with no successes for the Ukrainians.
You need better Russian sources.
Ukraine invading Russia is bang out of order.
Post #187 in the thread.
Our very own Vince Cable.
Blown up pipelines is the equivalent news cycle about 25 minutes into Threads.
This would be a big defeat for Russia (the biggest one yet), so they ought to be doing something relatively urgently beyond the actual front, i.e. busting lots of infrastructure and what have you, otherwise the annexations were a bit pointless.
The annexation of Zaporizhzhia could be quite significant (even though they have no control of the capital but whatever) because they can claim ownership of the massive nuclear plant and strongarm the Atomic Energy Agency into recognising the annexations so legitimises them a bit. Fuck knows how that would actually work but that's the talk.
Complete clownshow.
Very interesting, thanks.
Jim Cramer has tweeted that Russia will never use nuclear weapons [in Ukraine] so anyone that follows stocks or finance will know that Russia will now definitely use nuclear weapons in Ukraine.
(My link above actually details how that would be a bad move by Russia, even if there was no retaliation by the West, because they’re not equipped to advance into a nuclear battlefield so at best it would only serve to maintain current lines of defence.)
Nuking Warsaw would work better, though not if there's a stiff westerly I guess.
The best way to use a nuclear weapon would be to detonate a very low yield warhead (dialled right down to the bare minimum, like what we used to kick out of helicopters to sink submarines) over a Ukrainian command centre, but send it there via your biggest and loudest ballistic missile so that it sets off the global early warning systems and panics everybody. Alternatively, just send one of those missiles up filled with decoys. The kinetic energy of those things coming back down to Earth is roughly equivalent to their weight in high explosive, and it would demonstrate your ability to put them where you want them.
I'm not sure David Petraeus' response plan makes much sense, assuming as it does that Russia then does nothing in return.
You'd have to think there would be a point in the chain of command where the total annihilation of your nation might override whatever madcap order you'd been given. The A and D would be guaranteed, the M a bit more open to debate.
That we're even having these discussions over Ukraine doesn't say much for our own command structures. It's the most mental shit imaginable.
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