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    The Middle East and co (*sponsored by Mel Gibson*)

    We all know what's gone down over the past few years, but things may be changing. The Russians have realised they can do what they want now (because what, we might put sanctions on them?) and have tipped a load of equipment, experts, and even complete bases into Syrian government strongholds. By all accounts the Syrians are loving this new equipment, and some Russian foreign affairs bod has claimed that the Chinese have sent a cruiser to join the anti-ISIS campaign with an aircraft carrier to follow. If that is true, then lol at whatever it is we've been trying to achieve there.

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    It's a shambles on the part of the west. As always.

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    The Xinjiang crew have no doubt hardened the Chinese resolve.

    We (the West) are just soft as fuck nowadays. Iraq has broken us I think.

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    "The West" could easily wipe out ISIS, Al-Qaida and every/any other group that ever existed, but don't because it's nice to have bad guys as a threat to control their own populaces through fear mongering.

    Is that common knowledge or a conspiracy theory?

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    They couldn't easily wipe them out so it's a nothing statement.

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    We couldn't wipe them out since it's impossible to destroy an idea, but if we went balls deep we could destroy ISIS as it exists now within a couple of months. We've taken whole countries in about as little time. They're properly backwards cunts. We just have no desire to go balls deep. Imagine the outcry when they started beheading British soldiers live on YouTube?

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    I'm no military expert, I'm Yevrah, but I think people seriously underestimate how hard it is to invade a country and wipe out a determined force of people.

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    Fucking lol @ the US trained rebels joining Al Qaeda. That's what happens when you deal with cowardly zealots. The ones that have the balls to fight aren't fighting for a greater good. The others are coming over to outbreed otherwise excellent nations.

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    Hitler was pretty determined.

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    What a shit example that took years.

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    Uncle Sam could roll them back into their strongholds within weeks of a proper ground invasion. It might then prove difficult to coax them all out of houses and cellars and stop roadside bombs popping up all over, as was the constant pain in the arse in Iraq, but if you were that bothered you would just flatten the settlements and (literally) take no prisoners. But we're not bothered. Plus we have our 'values' and can't really be seen doing that sort of thing.

    It might sound simple (possibly deceptively so), but all you really have to do is kill enough people. It would hardly be unprecedented to just kill everybody associated with a group/idea in the name of establishing a secure state. ISIS themselves have done it.

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    But that's what I'm saying, I don't think killing enough people would be all that easy to do.

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    That said, watching uncle Sam have a crack would be something I'd probably pay to see.

    Not normally a fan of war, but watching the tanks roll in pursuit of this particular brand of scum would be pretty satisfying.

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    Me too.

    What are Turkey currently up to? Don't they(/we) have a pretty big army? Is Turkey part of "The West" yet? I'd like to see what would happen if they'd go balls deep.

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    No and it never will be. Are you really this out of touch on world affairs?

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    I haven't watched the news in years so yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Multi View Post
    "The West" could easily wipe out ISIS, Al-Qaida and every/any other group that ever existed, but don't because it's nice to have bad guys as a threat to control their own populaces through fear mongering.

    Is that common knowledge or a conspiracy theory?
    A conspiracy theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    But that's what I'm saying, I don't think killing enough people would be all that easy to do.
    Not for us, but the Syrians wouldn't have any issue with it. They have form there. Similarly, look how Saddam Hussein put down those rebellions (that we encouraged and left hanging) after the Gulf War.

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    We could probably turn a blind idea whilst Assad (supported by Russian ground forces) rolled them over. Trying to support "moderate rebels" is a waste of time.

    This also demonstrates the utter fucking folly of stating your support for "the rebels" against an existing regime / state when you have no idea who they actually are. We shouldn't really be interfering in the internal affairs of another country in this fashion. It gets you nowhere, and merely limits later options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Multi View Post
    Me too.

    What are Turkey currently up to? Don't they(/we) have a pretty big army? Is Turkey part of "The West" yet? I'd like to see what would happen if they'd go balls deep.
    Turkey are giving money/weapons to ISIS to keep the Kurds down. It's a mess basically.

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    What do the Soviets have to gain apart from making the west look stupid?

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    Access to the Mediterranean and a guy on their side in the Middle East.

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    In the shape of Assad and a nation that's had most of its citizens evacuated?

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    Its ripe for an annexing of the whole fucking lot to be honest. Enter Iran.

    The Zionists are as bad as any Islamic threat.

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    It's a presence, the yanks have Israel up their bums so Comrade Putin wants his own puppet in the region. Syria is a good opportunity to get into a country that (pre-war) wasn't a complete clusterfuck shithole.

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    And Assad did love to buy a few weapons.

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    Going "balls deep" would require wiping out much of the Sunni population of Iraq and Syria, which may appeal to some, but not to me.

    There are other things that might be done, but "the west" doesn't really give a fuck, at least not as much of a fuck as they give about their priorities in the region, which mainly amount to controlling the oil supply by keeping the Saudi's and Israelis happy.

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    Why can't we just wipe the Shi'ites out too? Equality.

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    The Saudis chairing the UN Huiman Rights is proper lol. The UN is corrupt as fuck, just as everything else seems to be.

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    You don't have to wipe them out. You can just repress them. Failing that, I don't see why population transfers are never seen as a practical alternative. It certainty calmed Europe down in 1945 (we could do it safer now as well), and if you identify with your faith/ethnicity more than your country why is getting bum-rushed into Saudi Arabia such a big deal?

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    I'd love to see Obama and Putin in a 1-on-1 fight (for world supremacy or otherwise).

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    It's nice to see the Taliban back in the news. Say what you want about that mob, but they're well up for it.

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    I'd rather not have points for telling the truth so here we go: WELL DONE SAUDI ARABIA.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7f1_1443533612

    Hit a wedding in Yemen and killed at least 131 people. Fucking clowns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic View Post
    I'd rather not have points for telling the truth so here we go: WELL DONE SAUDI ARABIA.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7f1_1443533612

    Hit a wedding in Yemen and killed at least 131 people. Fucking clowns.
    It's much better when we do it.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/gregorydjohn...ike#.uhl1olJle

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    Mohammed killed more than that at the Hajj last week.

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    The Saudi Army, recruited as it is from tents and ditches as a means of binding far-flung areas into the state payroll, has by all accounts been laughably shit throughout all of this. Whenever the goat herders they're bombing have got in their faces they've shat the bed and left their box-fresh American equipment behind, so they're probably better off hammering weddings.

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    The Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister sez: 'There is no future for Assad in Syria. There are two options for a settlement in Syria. One option is a political process where there would be a transitional council. The other option is a military option, which also would end with the removal of Bashar al-Assad from power. This could be a more lengthy process and a more destructive process but the choice is entirely that of Bashar al-Assad'.

    Oof. OOF. If it goes up.

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    Russians have just wasted 34 civs in Homs.

    Apparently they aren't even targetting IS targets, just ABA (Anyone But Assad).

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    Here's some Russian 'pin-point' bombing:

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1e4_1443635484


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    Also incredible lol @ Putin telling the US it better not get in it's way, and even more lol @ them targetting the US backed rebels.

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    Word from Georgia and elsewhere is that the Russians are pretty shit as a fighting force these days, other than as usual having numbers on their side.

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    Word from everywhere. If there was an executive with balls in the White House the Ruskies wouldn't be anywhere near Syria.

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    Russia knows we're (quite rightly) not actually bothered. Why they are is another mystery entirely.

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    What's your take on why they are?

    It's not as if they can even attempt to show the US up by attempting to end ISIS if all they're going to do is drone bomb civilians.

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    Isn't it the same story as ever with Putin? Showing 'strong leadership in the face of America' and shutting up whatever nutter is bothering him this week to stay in power?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    What's your take on why they are?

    It's not as if they can even attempt to show the US up by attempting to end ISIS if all they're going to do is drone bomb civilians.
    It will be claimed they're civilians whether they are or not. Unfortunately I don't think the Russians will care as much about that nonsense as most of our soppy cunts do.

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    It's obvious why they want to protect Syria. It gives them a satellite in the Middle East/Mediterranean. I just can never get my head around why they think they need one of those. They don't need oil. They don't need gas. The Americans are slowly pulling out of it all, so they're not undermining their interests like they were during the Cold War when you could bung a crate of AK-47s to some idiots and cause all sorts of mayhem. What is in the superpower game for them?

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    You're such a fucking twat.

    edit: Out the way @Lewis. I'm trying to have a dig here.

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