This is a defiant and probably at this point correct attitude to have, but doesn't amount to a great deal when all forms of fun outside of your house are closed or restricted to having to endure freezing cold temperatures to use them.Originally Posted by Spikey M
I don't think they are listening to scientists because they're already saying to lock down to stop the cases. The issue is they don't know whether Omicron will lead to a number in hospital which will be unmanageable which means you can't really play hit and hope if you want a functioning healthcare system.
The government are making their own decisions. I don't know why you think they don't own it. They ultimately hold the power.
Look at the big tough boys being defiant now. Just remember to lower your mask so they can see your scary scowls.
I agree they're making their own decisions, but these are clearly heavily informed by scientific advisers, which is why I'm saying we need to stop listening to them.
Wow that's crazy
Edit : that's in response to a post about two days ago that I thought was the most recent, ignore me
Vaccines, boosters, treatments etc. I'm all ears, but if we 'follow the science' every time a variant of concern turns up you'll all be joining me in my 40s by the time we're rid of this.
I’ve decided I’m not counting lockdown years as birthdays. I’m still 31.
I still haven't celebrated my 40th...
This is the biggest issue. Short of going to visit friends/relatives when you're not 'supposed' to, we're a bit fucked if everything else is shite.
Utterly depressing. When we all heard a vaccine had been created who thought this shambles is what we'd be getting at the end of the year.
Quite a few.
Wake up sheeple
It wouldn't be so bad, but still fucking annoying, if a second end game was obvious, but it really isn't.
Just saw this linked on Reddit.
https://data.spectator.co.uk/category/sage-scenarios
Shut them down.
They have been laughably out of whack. Although that optimistic line for the July 19 reopenings seems more accurate.
If I caught covid on Saturday night, how long is it likely to be before I test positive/develop symptoms?
Enjoying my mum trying to convince my dad that he can't go to the shops.
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Two weeks.
I think two weeks at my parents but with relative visits banned is probably preferable to one week under the normal Christmas regime.
Isn't this new one showing up in a matter of days?
The first article I've looked at has it down to 3-5 days.
Please let this be the final undermining of THE SCIENCE.
I've had a very long look at numbers in the last couple of days, all I've seen is a slew of real world data that matches the above, even perhaps the very start of it in London.
What I think SAGE are getting wrong (and the fact that a layman like me should be able to see things that SAGE are getting wrong is absurd, but there we are) is that they are making a very outdated assumption about how long it takes to go from infection to hospitalisation. They keep saying 17 days, in reality it's probably half that on this variant.
They also just don't seem to want to believe in the booster wall that we've put up in vulnerable age groups.
We'll see what happens, it's possible that they could be right and we have an apocalyptic death wave in mid January, but I think it will be over sooner and with relatively little cost.
Me and Jacob Rees-Mogg versus THE SCIENCE. Battle to the death.Following yesterday’s three-hour Cabinet meeting that decided nothing, details are now emerging of who opposed and supported the SAGE-desired lockdown. The Times and Telegraph have the most comprehensive write-ups, reporting Rishi, Steve Barclay and Grant Shapps were those leading the sceptics’ charge. The Times reports Jacob Rees-Mogg had a prolonged argument with Vallance about their modelling, telling Boris to trust the people rather than the scientists. Truss, Kwarteng, Jack, Zahawi and Nigel Adams are all also reportedly sceptical about the threat of Omicron…
On the other side of the divide backing restrictions, according to The Telegraph, are (unsurprisingly) Javid and Gove; Nadine Dorries and Chief secretary to the Treasury Simon Clarke. We can only presume the PM also errs towards this group.
I'm back watching that Doctor John Campbell bloke on youtube. He seems a lot more upbeat than he did at the start of this.
A few things he's been looking at:
- Hong Kong scientists are spotting Omicron reproducing a lot faster in the bronchial tract, not so fast in the lung tissue. If severe illness is to occur from Omicron, it might be more likely to present as bronchitis. It could mean less being ventilated. I'll wait to see what Magic catches next.
- 50% of London hospital cases are incidental so, whilst the hospitalisation is going up over there, half is for people already in hospital for other reasons.
If deaths keep slowly decreasing, this might be a dud. All the at risk crew must be jabbed up who would still be the most likely to die from/with this.
That John Campbell is pretty good. His video a few days ago summarising everything was excellent.
If I ever found myself on the same side of an argument as Jacob Rees-Mogg I'd probably kill myself.
Unsuccessfully, no doubt.
He'd probably be on your side right there. Chop chop. Or slice slice, I guess.
Did anyone post the link the other day that apparently Nadine Dorries was insta-kicked from a tory whatsapp group for defending Boris as 'a hero'?
I have access to anaesthetic drugs mate, I would top myself EXCELLENTLY.
Do you use them daily? It would explain a lot.
Triple Phizerchipped. I was only out of the house for 15 minutes.
Anyone who actually looks at the information available can see that there's nothing to suggest a death wave is coming - SAGE are wrong - I agree it's absurd that they are, but they are.
She's banned everything again.
How are the people of Scotland taking that Magic? Looking at a list of things she's done, they are genuinely absolutely pointless.
Wot?Edinburgh's Hogmanay street party has been cancelled and football matches will be effectively spectator-free as part of tough new Covid rules in Scotland.
All outdoor events will be limited to just 500 people to help slow the spread of Omicron.
Indoor events such as concerts will be limited to 200 people if they are seated, or 100 for standing.
Customer groups will be expected to remain one metre apart from each other when seated indoors at venues that serve alcohol - slashing the capacities of venues.
Large-scale events on Hogmanay have been scrapped - but the public will be able to meet on December 31 to toast the New Year as things stand - although the SNP leader has asked people to keep any gatherings as small as possible.
Who the fuck do they think they are?
Feel stupid yet sheeple? You've had all your injections and you still can't do owt. HAHAHA.
I didn't end up in hospital with covid pneumonia though, mate. And unlike Taz I'll be able to taste my Christmas dinner.
You need to separate those two things out Magic. Vaccines are clearly a brilliant thing, continued restrictions are not.
I'm not separating anything if nobody else is.
You'll be working 24 hours a day mate...or so we're led to believe.
I'm not at work again til the 27th
You haven't had any and are in the same boat
That's the joke lol?You haven't had any and are in the same boat
Really 'under pressure'...I'm not at work again til the 27th
Genuine question, Magic. Are you anti-vaccine in general or just this one? If yes, why is that?
Paeds isn't (never is during covid waves, gets bad after). The adult side of the hospital is but I'm ignoring all the begging emails for locums (the latest of which has about 100 shifts need filling) because I've done enough this year.
Last edited by randomlegend; 21-12-2021 at 03:23 PM.
Are you really dragging me in to a comparison of health alongside yourself?
Magic, didn't you say that you were going to have to get the vaccine because of your girlfriend?
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