I see the last line of defence is 'What about 2nd doses?' for the ever entertaining Twitter cohorts desperate for the UK to have fucked up the vaccine.
4 million jabbed now.
I see the last line of defence is 'What about 2nd doses?' for the ever entertaining Twitter cohorts desperate for the UK to have fucked up the vaccine.
4 million jabbed now.
The vaccine rollout has been outstanding.
I think this is a good summary of how I feel about the phenomenon JF is describing - https://anthonycox.substack.com/p/is...olitics-signal
I am no fan of our government, but you'd have to be a fucking idiot to criticise how we're doing with the vaccine. It's good work.
This reckons I will get my first jab between July and September. That would be an amazing effort.
It's such a bizarre attitude - there are so many things to choose from that you could criticise the government for, but no, EVERYTHING with any connection to them must be bad and/or a lie of some kind.
Second dose by 23/12 - just in time for massive family Christmas
I think part of the problem is that so many people are ignorant to some of the things that actually cause concern (chumocracy, etc) that detractors to the govt will pile onto absolutely everything with no let up to try and exacerbate the message. It doesn't work though.
'Boris is doing his best!!1'
Same as me. I think it's just doing it in 10 year batches.
Which makes me wonder, is that the plan here? Do we just keep moving down the age ranges? Surely once you've tackled the high risk groups you move onto high risk careers? With home workers coming after any remaining "Key Workers".
That stops the spread much quicker, surely?
We've nailed this so far and the other lol element of it all is we absolutely wouldn't have been better off had we been in the EU still, quite the opposite in fact.
The ideal outcome is beating the European Union by months but losing to the Americans by enough to justify selling them the NHS.
Beating the EU is what it’s all about in fairness.
More deaths than most of them too, idiot Eurotrash.
Pity more of them didn’t die, bloody Europeans the cheek of them.
The one shot on its own has a high protective rate (>90%, I think). The second dose doesn’t seem to add much to the effectiveness. That’s why the UK switched from giving the second dose at three weeks to 12 weeks. Because giving as many first doses as possible is pretty effective.
It's no different than for anyone else.
People are called to invite them for their vaccine. When they arrive they get an information leaflet to read and a form. The form has the list of questions on it that need to be asked to ensure they are able to have the vaccine. The prescription is on the back and whoever the prescriber is will sign provided the answers to the questions are all ok.
I got my jab at the end of a prescribing shift as there were spares. I had to register with the admin people, they printed my form and then I went through the above process just the same.
Yeah, Barbados was never the best.
There are still dreadful clubs though. I think Folies [Les Folies D'Amour :/] is still going and at least one other.
Both also undoubtedly awful. Unfortunately as the report states the doors have been even more firmly closed in the last week but you could probably get yourself essential worker status if you can blag some sort of e-gaming (as in gambling, not nonce mmorpging) expertise.
I still see surgical consultants walking round with their mask under their nose.
Patients are probably a not insignificant part of the problem as well...you'd be amazed the things people do. When I was on my last job a patients' relative came onto the ward when they weren't supposed to be visiting. Whilst waiting to talk to a staff member they went into a different patients' room (this patient was in a sideroom with a closed door and an enteric precautions sign on the door) and used their toilet. They didn't have covid fortunately.
You have a shitload as a small child don't you? Polio, MMR, all those.
I was ignoring those ones as youre obviously not compute mentus. I meant growing up.
I think the ones I had to get in Switzerland (because I hadnt had them in Uk) were tetanus and HPV or one of the Heps.
As you can imagine current google Seo makes finding vaccine info hard.
I think you have the three in one and one other when you're younger. Then potentially a hep c (?) and malaria if you travel further afield but that's not if you're going into mainland Europe.
BCG, the six pricks you get beforehand, Meningitis C?, that one time I bothered with the flu jab. I think that's all for me.
The BBC have properly gone with it for their latest main story.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-55708709
Trump-esque production values and all.
phonics getting a couple of melanin placebo boosters.
I wonder if your consultant is thinking of this bit from the NEJM paper:
Nevertheless, in the interval between the first and second doses, the observed vaccine efficacy against Covid-19 was 52%, and in the first 7 days after dose 2, it was 91%, reaching full efficacy against disease with onset at least 7 days after dose 2.
They haven't run out of beds (maybe a small number of hospitals in certain areas have but the vast majority haven't).
Well there are around 168,000 hospital beds in England (2019 figures, so there may be more now which are created for Covid) and there are 35,000 patients currently in hospital with covid. I don't know how many patients are in hospital for other reasons, but I haven't read any reports of hospitals being hammered for capacity except at points in Essex and parts of east London.
ITUs are being hammered.
Southend Hospital were shipping people out to Suffolk and beyond a few weeks ago, but they had a bed on the Covid Ward for my wife's nan straight away when she arrived last night. Not sure how much we can take from that, but they had atleast 1 bed available I guess.
I don't know what Covid does to a ward setup but I wonder if they have more space between the beds which leads to a lower capacity.
https://twitter.com/ncholiA/status/1...510157829?s=19
New variant alert.
Is that new? Hasn't the South African variant been in the news for a while now? I don't know what most of that thread means though. Someone explain it in layman's terms. @7om?
Not an immunologist by any stretch, but he's talking about changes that the virus has undergone in laboratory testing where they have grown the virus and observed mutations. The mutation they found matched the one that has occured naturally in South Africa. And then he says that this new mutation has a built-in ability to avoid the antibodies that would normally kill the virus.
That is not extremely concerning to me. There are other aspects of the immune system which will fight the virus, not just antibodies. Just depends whether or not this new variant causes more severe disease and if the vaccine can fight it. But an mRNA vaccine like the one from Pfizer wouldn't be difficult to reconfigure if need be.
Sorry linked to the wrong tweet
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Anyone know when the oldies will stop dying as a result of the vaccine? As of 10th January, the 80+ people mortality rate was still rising, but presume this is down to not enough of them being vaccinated and the ones that had, many hadn't had the 2 week period thereafter.
I think the next 2 weeks will start to see a drop off, but how much will this be due to lockdown or the vaccinations. I say open it all up so we can test the vaccine properly.