If anything will change police attitudes towards your area/community it's a mass outbreak of lawlessness.
If anything will change police attitudes towards your area/community it's a mass outbreak of lawlessness.
Yes they should be allowed to continue killing black people.
America is inherently racist even if it tries to be progressive.
Is this going to stop them killing black people, or is it just going to make life worse for the other black people?
No change.
Heh.
Any sane person who watches that video of his murder understands why rioting is both justified and necessary.
The proletariat has been rioting for millennia and I’m pretty sure it’s never once worked out in their favorOriginally Posted by Don
Most times it doesn't, and the successful ones tend to have a bit more focus and scope than robbing consumer goods.
It's just human instinct to be riled up by that footage and rioting seems the natural outlet for it. Its success rate is something I'd need to study history to comment on but it's fairly clear it's raising awareness of the poblem at hand which can only be a good thing over time unless you're living in some dictatorial regime with no hope of change...
They should just carry on and accept the inequality and brutality in their society. It'll change eventually.
If my Tony Blair education is anything to go by, then NON VIOLENT PROTEST is the only way to bring about change.
In R.E., which by this time circa 2002 had abandoned all notions of having anything to do with any religion, we had to do a project on one of a choice of four NON-VIOLENT leaders:
- MLK
- Gandhi
- Dalai Lama
- Tutu
I was the only person in the entire year to choose Desmond, with 80% choosing King and the Asians choosing Gandhi, and that fact taught me a lot about myself.
I did like the person on Twitter who decided to correct Martin Luther King's son on how his dad would have felt about all this.
There are lots of things they could do between nothing and looting. If they still really wanted to smash things up they could attack government buildings, which would be a much more direct attack on their system, albeit one without a free telly.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/technology-52832791
Even if some wasteman's death didn't have me on the street, this would. Disgusting.
Drive-by tear gas on peaceful protestors. #MAGA.
Trump has apparently sent in the national guard and threatened to have them shoot people too.
Every in-group protects itself first, so waiting for police attitudes to change is to wait forever. As long as the public continues to let them and DA’s self police nothing is changing.
Much more important for public attitudes toward both local politics and police to change.
And sure, research in the US indicates that the biggest mover in public sentiment During Civil Rights was non-violent protests being violently put down by the police. But kinda a lot to ask “really you see - John Lewis getting his skull cracked is your best political move.”
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journ...041BB2EFC3034C
But we were here just a couple years ago when peaceful kneeling at football games was too much. It is always too much.
Gone for three months, back to TTH. Good to have you back I guess, though i still don't really know what you're doing here
Was talking about this with some mates, the protests will take what would have been a huge boon for the public image of the movement - the video and the death - and turned it into a PR disaster. It's been absolutely awful in terms of public image. People will have gone from "fuck those cops" to "fuck the protesters, look at what animals they are". I know my mom has, and judging from how her brain works, plenty of white America too.
Bored, like everyone else. And I like discussing politics but everything is so stupid in the US now it is impossible. But I’ll be bored in two weeks.
And maybe the protests will if you thought anything was going to change in the first place. I think “the narrative” may be affected, but policy? Not so much. Policy likely won’t change cause we will all yammer on about the President and Congress who really have no power in any of this.
All of this is local politics: DA’s, sheriffs, police unions, and NIMBYism.
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I don't think it's possible to protest in the western world without something being set on fire.
Well, people were protesting by taking a knee at football games. Pretty peaceful but brought about the same respectability arguments.
I don’t disagree with Mokbull except that I think these arguments always seem to surface.
Well, the cop's been arrested so we'll see where this leads. I can't imagine standing on his neck is deemed justifiable force.
Yeah but by TAKING A KNEE during the ANTHEM he was DISRESPECTING the FLAG and THE TROOPS.
Probably something something CONSTITUTION as well.
Is it just the one that actually killed him or have all four of the police officers been arrested?
Last I heard the Attorney General wanted them all charged but they were "TAKING THE FIFTH" and refusing to co-operate.
They say ex-officer but where all of them fired? The cop's defence will always be, "I was doing my job and my job is hard." There should be lines you don't cross, though.
Like kneeling on someone's neck. They're racist cowards who are untouchable.
Was this George Floyd fella known before this or just because of this?
Well, the kneeling bloke is the one being charged with third degree murder.
We'll see if he is found guilty.
He's been charged with third degree murder.
The cop has an, erm, interesting track record.
Assuming it's not a load of shit, obvs.
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'[M]urdered Wayne Reyes, a latino man with 16 bullets forced into him' makes it sound like they shoved them up his arse.
The one thing I remember about the Castile murder was how completely out of his depth the copper was.
You wouldn't trust 90% of them to make a sandwich correctly, let alone give them guns. Absolute shit tip.
They're all absolute scum. NYPD being the absolute kings of that breed.
LAPD are bad but Rodney King forced a bunch of action within the force that never happened in New York.
I know nothing of US policing really, but in every video I see from there there appears to be a bigger them and us culture (propagated by their officers) than anywhere else in the western world.
Seems underlying health conditions was wot dun im.
How the fuck are they allowed (who is they by the way?) to reference potential intoxicants?
And it's happening.
The officer will be acquitted, given his job back and given a medal for taking a pesky black man off the streets within a couple of months.
It's not just the cops, it's the law, it's the courts, it's the system. The coroner is saying that the knee on his neck didn't kill him, heart disease did.
If you stole a candy bar, the cop shoots at you and kills a six year old bystander. You can be charged with felony murder.
While a police officer can drunkenly break into your apartment thinking it was their place, kill you for tresspassing in your own home and get off on qualified immunity. It's disgusting.
If you'd like to learn more about the absolute disgrace that is the US legal system I reccomend Mic Dicta, ALAB and FiveFour
Could you stab someone with hemophilia and only face manslaughter charges of they died?
I thought intent mattered?
He's being charged with intentional indifference. According to that, he had no intent to kill, he just didn't care if he died lol.
Well that's nice.
What a country.
I was raised by civil rights lawyers who sued the New Orleans police department as a source of income starting in the late 60’s. So cops are scum and all that, but it is a little more complicated. One little known open secret is you can get a Grand Jury to indict anyone at all for criminal proceedings if the DA’s make a case. Except cops. However, the same case at a jury trial for civil damages? City will always lose. That means that for individual cops any punishment is normally handled through arbitration procedures set up on the municipal level. But the police unions have an outsized impact on these because the public doesn’t have the bandwidth for all the Byzantine nonsense. So cop gets in trouble - gets fired - gets a new job in another county or gets reinstated with back pay in a couple years.
But our policing in major cities got destroyed a couple decades ago due to quotas and three strikes your out laws that started in the 80’s and were codified in the 90’s. It changed policing on a fundamental level. Not so much a question of the easy “they are all racists”; the quotas and stats create incentives which makes the entire force systematically racist regardless of whether the cops are white, black, Asian, or Hispanic.
David Simon gives a good summary in this interview:
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2...more-s-anguish
I'm all for solidarity but at least spell the fucking slogan right.
LOL Border Patrol have been flying a Military Surveillance Drone over the city.
What the fuck are they even doing there anyway?
International airport? So of course they have drones.
What?
There is an international airport, you are going to have border related agencies there. You will also have them as a regional hub because Canada isn’t too far away. Of course they are there.
The drone thing was a joke.
There's a lot of people that I didn't notice before, that Jimmy's list has now made me now pay attention to. He's right once again here.
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