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    Quote Originally Posted by Queenslander View Post
    We are being told 34 times the mortality rate than common flu
    If normal flu kills 0.1% of people then that’d be roughly right. Some estimates say that’s the case, while others have it as high as 1%, or 3.4 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    If normal flu kills 0.1% of people then that’d be roughly right. Some estimates say that’s the case, while others have it as high as 1%, or 3.4 times.
    Yeah fair enough.

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    The flu comparison is idiotic. Sure, on an individual level if you're under 60 it might be similar (even if we don't know long term effects of catching this) but:

    We have a reliable vaccine against seasonal flu. We will not have a vaccine or effective treatment for this for some time.

    10-20 percent that catch this get such a severe form that they need medical care. The main issue isn't "people with snivels clogging up the system", it's people who without medical assistance might actually end up dead being a far higher percentage than with the flu. Italian hospitals are already overwhelmed and if we can't smooth out the peak outbreak of this that will happen in every other country as well. This also means other healthcare services will have to be pushed back, increasing the risks of complications there.

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    That makes sense.

    I am surprised how well our Govenment have dealt with it down here. They plan to hand out $10 billion stimulus to keep the economy ticking over.
    Last edited by Queenslander; 11-03-2020 at 11:33 AM.

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    Idiot in our office has a sore throat and is panicking that she's got Coronavirus.. Her response to "Having sore throat on its own isn't a symptom, so don't worry" was met with "It is a symptom!!!" and no other reasoning, even after showing her the NHS website that lists the known symptoms.

    She's just looking for an excuse to skive off and "work from home" for a fortnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernanke View Post
    The flu comparison is idiotic. Sure, on an individual level if you're under 60 it might be similar (even if we don't know long term effects of catching this) but:

    We have a reliable vaccine against seasonal flu. We will not have a vaccine or effective treatment for this for some time.

    10-20 percent that catch this get such a severe form that they need medical care. The main issue isn't "people with snivels clogging up the system", it's people who without medical assistance might actually end up dead being a far higher percentage than with the flu. Italian hospitals are already overwhelmed and if we can't smooth out the peak outbreak of this that will happen in every other country as well. This also means other healthcare services will have to be pushed back, increasing the risks of complications there.
    On the subject of the vaccine, the flu one isn’t reliable at all. In fact we have no idea how efficacious it will be year-on-year and there is no guarantee coronavirus will be different. If it mutates quickly then it will likely become endemic the same way rhinovirus and adenovirus are still causing common colds.

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    This blokes videos have been passed around in places and to me he seems to ride the line between solid overview and Youtube wacko pretty well. Regardless, it's a pretty easily digested daily overview of the state of things.

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    Kuenssberg a potential victim.

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    Say bye bye to all the nonnas.

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/busine...-loo-roll-boss

    Presumably there's also going to be a corresponding loo roll crash as everyone works through what they've pointlessly stockpiled.

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    Grocers here are literally out of toilet paper. The shit makes no sense (no pun intended).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    On the subject of the vaccine, the flu one isn’t reliable at all. In fact we have no idea how efficacious it will be year-on-year and there is no guarantee coronavirus will be different. If it mutates quickly then it will likely become endemic the same way rhinovirus and adenovirus are still causing common colds.
    Coronavirus causes common colds already. Covid-19 is just a specific virulent strain, like MERS and SARS were/are.

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    Latest message from HCMC government is asking the public to use online shopping and delivery methods.

    The City People's Committee affirmed to always ensure the supply of goods, necessities and food for the people. To limit the presence of crowded places, it is recommended that people prioritize the choice of shopping goods online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    On the subject of the vaccine, the flu one isn’t reliable at all. In fact we have no idea how efficacious it will be year-on-year and there is no guarantee coronavirus will be different. If it mutates quickly then it will likely become endemic the same way rhinovirus and adenovirus are still causing common colds.
    I suppose the right phrasing is that we have a well established procedure to try and anticipate the yearly flu-strain that will dominate, and get vaccines out in time for risk groups. There's literally nothing like that for COVID-19.

    An endemic virus that leads to 10-12% getting severe symptoms and 5% requiring intensive care would be fucking mad.

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    Is there anything more Italian than the old man going 'The pasta shelves are empty, this is worse than World War 2'?


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    That's where we're headed. Merkel's just come out and said up to 70% of the German population could catch it.

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    We are ridiculously complacent in this country. I have no idea why offices are still open. Our Aussie sales guy pitched up earlier having been on a plane full of Italians from Tunis (they were all legging it to London via there). He was just lolling about it.

    They are obviously trying to delay panic but fucking hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    That's where we're headed. Merkel's just come out and said up to 70% of the German population could catch it.
    Which is complete bullshit

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    Officially a pandemic.



    Last edited by John Arne; 11-03-2020 at 05:00 PM.

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    "Alarming levels of inaction".... Presumably that's the likes of the UK - doing sweet FA to contain this.

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    Indeed. I can't believe Cheltenham's on. You have to climb across people to get around. All you need is one person to have it, and that's likely, for there to be plenty taking it home with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mugbull View Post
    Which is complete bullshit
    What makes you think that?

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    Over 3,300 new cases yesterday...


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    Spain and Germany accelerating. We're not far behind.

    Did Qatar just start testing people yesterday? The figures are bollocks and it's rife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Arne View Post
    "Alarming levels of inaction".... Presumably that's the likes of the UK - doing sweet FA to contain this.
    Ted doesn't seem happy.

    Although ironically he saw fit to praise China for their approach when they'd tried to hide it from the international community and silence their own doctors who wanted to expose it.

    Oh, and he wasn't bothered about closing things down before it had spread.

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    So the WHO has labelled this a pandemic, although they no longer formally use the term, but it can be used coloquially?

    What a load of shit. It's like Mark Rutte and his let's shake on it no handshake policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Arne View Post
    "Alarming levels of inaction".... Presumably that's the likes of the UK - doing sweet FA to contain this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mellberg View Post
    Indeed. I can't believe Cheltenham's on. You have to climb across people to get around. All you need is one person to have it, and that's likely, for there to be plenty taking it home with them.
    From a mate who travelled this week...

    Screened at Singapore airport
    Screened before getting a haircut
    Screened before entering Stadium
    Screened at Jakarta airport
    Screened before entering Stadium

    Heathrow? Nothing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    So the WHO has labelled this a pandemic, although they no longer formally use the term, but it can be used coloquially?

    What a load of shit. It's like Mark Rutte and his let's shake on it no handshake policy.
    They're a shambles for many reasons and this largely changes nothing, but the "it's just flu" brigade are bang wrong on this one. I know that chart won't include all the people who have it, but nearly 10% of people on there are either dead or critically ill. There are worse things that could have been let out of the bag, but given the way this is spreading, it's proper serious stuff now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    What makes you think that?
    I don't begrudge her that tactic, she should do whatever it takes to get people to take it seriously. But lol if you think Germany's coronavirus crisis will be ~10,000 times worse than China's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomlegend View Post
    Coronavirus causes common colds already. Covid-19 is just a specific virulent strain, like MERS and SARS were/are.
    That's my point, really. If Covid-19 goes the same way as rhinovirus, adenovirus and the rest of the coronavirus family then we may never end up with an effective vaccine against it.

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    Everyone is finally panicking to the max now

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Arne View Post
    From a mate who travelled this week...

    Screened at Singapore airport
    Screened before getting a haircut
    Screened before entering Stadium
    Screened at Jakarta airport
    Screened before entering Stadium

    Heathrow? Nothing...
    There’s an arrogance about it in this part of the world still. Our ‘leadership’ seems to be happy enough to wait til we’re fucked before doing what they should have done at case number 1.

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    I don't think you would have to be insane to hink that some of the powers that be might also welcome a certain level of population culling, especially of resource-draining geriatrics. It feels silly to think that they all actually care to save every broke 80-year old who would spend the coming 10 years bed-ridden regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mugbull View Post
    I don't begrudge her that tactic, she should do whatever it takes to get people to take it seriously. But lol if you think Germany's coronavirus crisis will be ~10,000 times worse than China's.
    How do we know what China’s crisis actually is or where it ends?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernanke View Post
    I don't think you would have to be insane to hink that some of the powers that be might also welcome a certain level of population culling, especially of resource-draining geriatrics. It feels silly to think that they all actually care to save every broke 80-year old who would spend the coming 10 years bed-ridden regardless.
    Not sure the Tories would willingly want to take a hit to their vote share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernanke View Post
    I don't think you would have to be insane to hink that some of the powers that be might also welcome a certain level of population culling, especially of resource-draining geriatrics. It feels silly to think that they all actually care to save every broke 80-year old who would spend the coming 10 years bed-ridden regardless.
    Of course they want it. A cull with no blood on their hands would be their wildest fantasy come true. Especially when they can control the spread.

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    They'd mostly be dead by the next election anyway.

    Just got to save all the 50 year olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    So not like any cold or flu then.
    I fear the sarcasm of my initial statement was too subtle.

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    as you were.

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    Italian medical chief dies after contracting virus
    The head of the medical association in the northern Italian province of Varese, Roberto Stella, 67, has died of respiratory failure after contracting coronavirus.

    He had been practising medicine at an outpatient clinic in Busto Arsizio, north-west of Milan, and Italian reports say he and a colleague were infected at the weekend.

    Varese is in the Lombardy region, which has been at the centre of Italy's coronavirus outbreak.
    A short illness might come to mean something else now...

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    A healthy 67 year old is far from what we were being peddled early days.

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    An Italian 67 year old, let's not go mad here.

    The only take-away from all this so far is that they've managed to fuck it on a biblical scale somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7om View Post
    That's my point, really. If Covid-19 goes the same way as rhinovirus, adenovirus and the rest of the coronavirus family then we may never end up with an effective vaccine against it.
    I think you'd have to ask a virologist to know if it really "works like that". My gut feeling would be it's not so straightforward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niko_cee View Post
    An Italian 67 year old, let's not go mad here.

    The only take-away from all this so far is that they've managed to fuck it on a biblical scale somehow.
    Because it went around for a month without anything being done about it, which we are now also doing.

    The government and their 'behavioural science' need to take a reality check and soon. Everyone needs to be indoors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggles View Post
    A healthy 67 year old is far from what we were being peddled early days.
    I'm no scientist, I'm Yevrah, but could it be that the Chinese had a better resistance to this due to environmental factors that Europeans haven't been exposed to and are therefore don't have.

    67 is not old these days and is well below the 80+ range that gave you the lucky 1 in 7 chance.

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    The Chinese are on average less old, everyone (bar Japan) is less old than Italy. This fucks the elderly (and doctors), it would seem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Because it went around for a month without anything being done about it, which we are now also doing.

    The government and their 'behavioural science' need to take a reality check and soon. Everyone needs to be indoors.
    Driving home I heard someone in the medical profession on Radio 5 Live saying we've got a grip on it and other countries (like Italy) should follow our lead. I nearly swerved off the road.

    As far as I can see, we've tested some people and isolated those that have it (the bare minimum expected from a first world country I'd suggest) and told people to wash their hands, which the filthy bastards should have been doing anyway.

    I agree, we've done nothing and the Heathrow situation is a genuine disgrace. Are we still allowing people to waltz in from countries officially riddled with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    I'm close to, if not already at a point in my life where I could drop down dead any day, so I'm not panicking.

    I just find the response to this and the 'efforts' to control it interesting and a shower of shit.

    Until one knows more everything should have been done to isolate it and it wasn't, flights weren't grounded, people weren't refused entry. This may well amount to nothing, but if we adopt the same early doors approach we have to this to something that ends up being far more serious then it'll take a shit load of people down.
    Oh and page 1, 8th Feb.

    When Ted dies from a dose I'm using that in my application for his job.

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    I mean assuming it's true the virus killed the Chinese doctor who first noticed it (rather than the security services staging it) then it should be concerning a healthy 34 year old died from enough exposure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    I'm no scientist, I'm Yevrah, but could it be that the Chinese had a better resistance to this due to environmental factors that Europeans haven't been exposed to and are therefore don't have.

    67 is not old these days and is well below the 80+ range that gave you the lucky 1 in 7 chance.
    Or the Chinese lied and shit loads more people died there than we'll ever know.

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