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  • Theresa May's Conservatives

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  • Jeremy Corbyn's Labour

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  • Tim Farron's Liberal Democrats

    3 6.82%
  • Paul Nuttall's UKIP

    0 0%
  • 2 people's Greens

    1 2.27%
  • Nicholas Durgeon's Scottish Nationalists

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  • Satan's Sinn Fein

    0 0%
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    0 0%
  • Some other bunch of nonces

    2 4.55%
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Thread: UK General Election 2017 - 8 June

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    No problem. We're not a presidency, MPs are individually elected and then anyone can form a government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    No problem. We're not a presidency, MPs are individually elected and then anyone can form a government.
    Do you think that would be the attitude of the right-wing press, for example?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    The system can and should be changed to require a general election in this scenario.
    So you'd rather we elected an individual rather than a party?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    That's not "Brexit aside". Those pushing for no-deal know there will be a disaster, and wish to use that disaster to push through all of the shit that they want that nobody will stand for otherwise. Which is mostly the shit that you want, the so-called "kick up the arse".
    I meant low-hanging things like smashing the civil service (and affiliated useless bodies) up, planning reform, ending the university farce, binning high speed rail... Obviously a NO DEAL crisis would come in handy for more lasting reform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    Do you think that would be the attitude of the right-wing press, for example?
    The job of the right wing press is to sell newspapers to right wing people, so it's not really constitutionally relevant what they think. This kind of transition has happened with Callaghan, Major, Brown, May and now Johnson just in the last 40 years, it's not a new thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    The job of the right wing press is to sell newspapers to right wing people, so it's not really constitutionally relevant what they think. This kind of transition has happened with Callaghan, Major, Brown, May and now Johnson just in the last 40 years, it's not a new thing.
    It's kind of new when none of the previous ones were circus acts.

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    The Cabinet is looking alright. I would like to have seen Steve Baker made Minister for Steve Baker, but I can settle for drumming the pretend Brexiters out.

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    Missed this at the time and it's quite good. Bizarre to think that over three years on the square root of fuck all has actually happened.

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    This cabinet makes no sense whatsoever unless he's going for an early election.

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    I wasn't exactly enamoured by the thought of Boris as PM but all the right people are fizzing just now. Sit back and enjoy the meltdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    This cabinet makes no sense whatsoever unless he's going for an early election.
    I mean, he doesn't really know what he's doing, does he?

    That's the rub of it.

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    Sidelining all your enemies / people who didn't vote for you is very Trumpian and I really doubt it will work in a scenario where instead of a 4 year mandate, you have a working majority of 2 and have to get them to vote for your Brexit plan very soon.

    It's either election or Deadly Dom has some sort of evil masterplan for getting No Deal to happen.

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    Amber Rudd still has a job what more do people want? If the stupid cunts want to force an election they would have done so in or out of government, so indulging them is pointless.

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    An absolute thundercunt is now in charge of the country and we are changing the Foreign and Defence Minister in the midst of a crisis with Iran.

    The tories have fucked this country beyond belief.

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    Raab for Foreign Secretary / Patel for Home is the worst possible pair of appointments anyone could have thought of. Even the same pair the other way round would have been marginally better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    An absolute thundercunt is now in charge of the country and we are changing the Foreign and Defence Minister in the midst of a crisis with Iran.

    The tories have fucked this country beyond belief.
    On the plus side Kik's, he's basically only got three months.

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    Patel? Jaysus, giving Trevelyan II a big job says it all really.

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    I suppose but is there an actual alternative to any of the turds on either side of the isle?

    Get Sturgeon in until the end of the season.

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    A NO DEAL election has got 1983 written all over it.

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    They're certainly in a much better place to fight that election if/when it comes. A coherent position of sorts, Farage's fox shot (again), Dom Cummings spirited in via the back door (they kept that beautifully quiet) and a hopelessly splintered opposition spread across three or four other parties.

    It's just not a cabinet that allows them to buy any time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikó View Post
    I suppose but is there an actual alternative to any of the turds on either side of the isle?

    Get Sturgeon in until the end of the season.
    The sooner she fucks off the better. Awful, awful woman.

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    Leadsom and McVey anywhere near government is awful but I think Raab as Foreign Sec makes is marginally worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    On the plus side Kik's, he's basically only got three months.
    And his cabinet will get reshuffled two or three times due to resignations. We don't have any good politicians any more, do we?

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    Gavin Williamson in charge of Education is a laugh.

    I'd be surprised if he can get the blocks through the holes of the right shape without some thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    So you'd rather we elected an individual rather than a party?
    I think there might be advantages to properly seperating the executive from the legislature. It's arguable - but not the point I'm really making. In practice we elect both a party and a PM. It would be a reasonably simple constitutional change that said that a change of PM required/triggered an election.

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    The cabinet is a disgrace.

    Javid is a banker linked to some of the shadier aspects of global financialisation. He took apparent glee in persecuting Julian Assange.
    Raab is clueless and has a strong commitment to social Darwinism. Although that presumably doesn't apply to the rich.
    Patel is corrupt and an extreme authoritarian.

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    We don't elect a PM either in theory or practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    We don't elect a PM either in theory or practice.
    Yes, we do. In practice most people don't have a clue who their local MP is. They vote because of the letter next to their name, based on the national campaign, led by the prospective PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    We don't elect a PM either in theory or practice.
    We really do. When people were voting in the last election they were doing so on the basis of whether they preferred May or Corbyn (or neither of them), not for their local MP. They just looked for the parties name and stuck a cross in that box.

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    Well you've got that and the people who say "I VOTE [party]" as if it's an undeniable biological fact like their inside leg measurement or blood type, and will continue to vote for said party regardless of what their policies are, who is leading them or anything else.

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    Can’t wait to visit this thread more often over the coming months, the schadenfreude will be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    Well you've got that and the people who say "I VOTE [party]" as if it's an undeniable biological fact like their inside leg measurement or blood type, and will continue to vote for said party regardless of what their policies are, who is leading them or anything else.
    Aye, that's most of my lot.

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    I see the ERG are already having a hissy fit after Steve Baker was offered a junior job (and turned it down).

    Dom

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    He's the roving Minister of Sound.

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    I’ve turned on the whole Boris as PM thing just so I can read The Telegraphs fucking weird through the looking glass spin on every fuck up he makes.

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    He's done alright so far I'd say.

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    There is a book to be written on triumphalist by-election speeches that come to fuck all. The coalition years were a golden period for them.

    '...and their Lib Dem allies...'

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    The one in Richmond Park when Sally Crusty-Sandals beat Zac Goldsmith was a classic of the genre.

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    I liked the Corby one, since it was actually a win for Labour rather than just one stiff replacing another in a shithole seat. The pleb who won it (and lost it in 2015) was giving it all the ONE NATION bit, and David Cameron didn't even care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Financial Times
    “Someone put Grieve’s idea to Cummings on Friday that if we lose a vote of no confidence the PM will have to resign — he spat his drink out laughing,” said a senior No.10 official. “The idea we will hand over to a new government rather than leave with an election after October 31 is laughable.”
    Love this bloke. I bet he wasn't even drinking at the time. He will have heard it, had a drink, and then Triple Haitched it into the air for lol effect.

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    Deadly Dom has properly touched a nerve with the columnist commentariat this week, and I have to say it is a joy to behold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    Deadly Dom has properly touched a nerve with the columnist commentariat this week, and I have to say it is a joy to behold.
    He wants to have a coup, essentially. The Crown will get dragged into this.

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    What's he trying to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yevrah View Post
    What's he trying to do?
    Apparently one of:

    Proroguing parliament.
    Ignoring the result of a no-confidence vote.
    Calling a general election to be held after Brexit and then pushing ahead with no deal in the meantime.

    Constitutionally, it's clear that were there to be an election called for example, Johnson would remain as PM but in a caretaker capacity. No important decisions are supposed to be made.

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    It'll be the general election with Brexit during the campaign.

    The key thing to remember is Corbyn wants and needs No Deal. Watch him frustrate the Remainers ever more from here on in.

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    Big up the PARLIAMENTARY ARITHMETIC brigade trying to work out how you form a 'Unity Government' out of the sweaties, the Liberal Democrats, and a list of future Labour leaders from 2012.

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    Luckily the progressive majority will save them.

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    If we end up simultaneously running an election and finalising Brexit we may as well give up and hand the keys to Sam Allardyce, Steve McClaren and Roberto Martinez.

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    It is a good grift.

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