Ah, fair enough. Makes more sense now. NZ will be sick regardless.
Well, that was daft. First nation to win Football, Rugby and Cricket World Cups.
Absolutely sensational final. What a game.
By the end I was definitely more gutted for NZ than pleased for England though.
Williamson really is a top geezer.
I'm pretty sure Nasser's first utterance after that madness was "cricket's the winner". What a man.
Not really sure what to make of it all really.
Also, seeing as everyone is at pains to call this the Men's World Cup (), why can't the final of the MEN'S World Cup have a MAN of the match?
I assume they gave Williamson player of the tournament because they felt bad for him, or that asking Shakhib to attend might have been a bit of a give-away.
What would have been a more satisfactory end? Another super over? Any kind of rollback might feel arbitrary.
In a game of such fine margins a lot of chat (obviously) about Boult stepping on the rope for a Stokes six and of course the ricochet but there’s are countless others from much earlier in the match that you wouldn’t have thought would have been relevant. A funny one I was just reminded of was that Santner left the last ball of the innings!
Ridiculous match but I am so glad they just got over the line. Best ODI by some way in these past four years and a fine reward for their work.
Five match Ashes series next for a decent chunk of those lads as well. Jesus. Good luck.
Personally I thought the wide on Archer in the super over was very harsh. Batsman clearly moved across, which invalidates the line as a strict guide.
But, like you say, it all adds up in the end. Those two sixes for Stokes a celestial payback for that over at the end of the World T20.
Wide given by Deadly Dharma in the super over wasn't a wide, so fuck the haters.
I was out umpiring today so only (thanks to a few judicious trigger fingers) got in at 45.5 overs of the second innings, which by the sounds of it was probably the best way to watch it. The only downside was I was in a loud room so couldn't hear the commentary, which meant I had absolutely no idea what the next tie breaker was and didn't know we had won it until it appeared they were all going mental. I guessed it might be Super Over wickets or something.
The best way to watch it would be to come in now and watch it in full knowledge of who won (although perhaps not necessarily how). IRL it was not fun.
Also I have seen hundreds, maybe over 1,000 games of cricket by this point at all levels from under 9s up to internationals, and I have never seen a six scored in that fashion by two runs and then bat deflection. Never. At first I was concerned they might give him out obstructing the field.
I'd forgotten about Santner fucking that one, Max. Even at the time it seemed mental.
Indian twitter has never been as furious as this. Cricinfo has even put a thing out saying the deflected six should have been five (it shouldn't). Can guarantee you that if NZ had won in the same fashion they would be lapping it up.
Sorry fellas.
So that was Super Sunday II. Mad cricket final, a good British GP and a Wimbledon final that went to a fifth set tie-breaker. Imagine if this happened in an Olympic year.
Indian Facebook is the same. A couple of years back, I joined a couple of pages with the intention of trolling these people but realised I didn't actually need to do much to troll them. Stating facts and posting about cricket in a logical manner was enough. The seethe from them on the Lords Cricket Ground page when someone doesn't have Tendulkar in their all-time XI.
On the final, greatest game of cricket ever. Without doubt. By the end, I wasn't actually that bothered if we won as one way or the other, we witnessed history right there.
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Best team in the World for the last few years I dont know how anyone can be upset by that result.
That video of Maxwell watching with his county teamates had me chuckling.
England managing to become the best side the in the world, redefine one day cricket, win the World Cup and still do it in a way that annoys/upsets vast amounts of people all around the world is true testament to their brilliance.
New Zealand got into the semis on the equally arbitrary tie breaker of net run rate, so you know, live by the sword and all that.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JimmyNeesh/status/1150562893777244160
Him and Kane (and all Kiwis really) absolute top geezers.
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Tweet's dead.
Taufel Seethe.
It's Jones! Bowden! All over again.
As far as my understanding of the laws is concerned, I'd have given six. They completed two runs, and then it passed the boundary for four overthrows. When it deflected off the batsman is irrelevant. There was no 'run in progress', they completed it.
The strongest argument I've seen for five is based on a description that is pretty vague anyway so the umming and ahhing over it is being done for its own sake.
You can't really penalise the beneficiaries when there's no intent. Might be unfair on the Kiwis but they threw the ball.
Even if it was a wrong decision, wrong decisions happen all the time in every sport. Once the game is over it's over.
The weird thing is that Indians seem far more upset about the result than Kiwis do. Kind of unmasks their ridiculous grievance procedure. Even Sehwag was having a massive cry on twitter.
Can you imagine if it had been India? Kohli would have screamed at the umpires for days, and Modi would have bombed Pakistan again.
New Zealand not being India is the only thing holding back closing the book on it being the best sporting final, nay, event of any kind, in human history.
Gilo's right though. In other circumstances Stokes should have hit that last ball out of the fucking park.
And in other circumstances he might not have bowled it there as defending 3 you hedge your bets a bit more than defending 2. It's nonsense trying to rewind that just as it would be rewinding any other umpiring decision that has ever happened.
That's like saying Damon should've given Schumacher an extra lap to see how knackered he was. Or telling Glock to pit for wets.
If he just tosses the ball casually in they're defending 7 off 2, so you know, you pays your money you takes your choice.
Did I see a clip of the dressing room singing Allez Allez Allez on the news just there?
Hah.
Neesham is the best cricketer on Twitter by a mile.
That 3 minute video posted by the ICC account of the final over and the super over is superb. Equally superb is all the Indian comments on the video below it.
With a wink at Dhoni after the fact.
I'll watch the video on lunch but am just having a look at those comments. Dear me, they're cross.
Indian cricket fandom seems unlike any kind of of fandom in any sport. They never seem to blame the players, the selectors, the coaching staff (as they are former players now). All other nations have a level of self deprecation, a level of gallows humour. They don’t. Their defeat is the fault of the format, the weather, England, Pakistan. Either way, in this instance, hook it up to my veins because I love it. I wonder how we can top this by winning in India 2023?
Are they just angry in general? I mean, would they have moaned whoever had won because it wasn't them or is this that plus it being England?
What I noticed in this tournament was just how much support for Dhoni there was. His awful, past-it cricket cost them very dearly, and was arguably the decisive factor in them going out, but they don't seem to care - it's all about lionising him and his hero status. The team comes second.
It's very much a sort of religious fervour, rather than anything rooted in reality.
Probably on twitter, but the Indian fans on r/cricket were rightly lambasting Dhoni for his pathetic, cowardly batting.
That said, they reacted to any defeat by declaring the whole team needed to be ripped up and started again so I guess it's not that much better than Twitter.
It's a shame reddit has calmed down after a day of 'ENGLAND DIDN'T WIN!!!!!' I did enjoy baiting the bitter Aussies immensely.