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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    I'm not the biggest Dave fan but to be fair, I think if any PM since the war had twitter and a load of baying shot-to-nothing opponents following their every move he wouldn't stand up any worse than the others.
    I reckon he isn't even trying anymore (if he ever really was). He just looks and sounds like he's phoning it in and letting everyone strive for supremacy.

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    He had dinner 'as a friend' with Sir Nick 'Cleggers' Clegg on Monday night. Imagine being reduced to that.

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    Dave gave the Scottish lads a referendum and every advantage they could have wanted, and he's also giving the rest of us a referendum on the EU.

    That's quite good.

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    There was a bollocks council election in Shrewsbury earlier, and this was the result:

    LAB - 47.8% (-28.7)
    CON - 24.7% (+1.1)
    LDEM - 21.0% (+21.0)
    GRN - 6.6% (+6.6)

    Winning the election by attracting Greens and disenfranchised voters is ON.

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    The latest Scottish poll has 46% saying they don't know who Kezia Dugdale is. That could just be Cybernats on the wind up, but it's hardly encouraging for them. I think there's a real possibility they're already dead as a party.

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    The Lib Dems have run riot!

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    This Indian beano at Wembley is a bit suspicious. You should have gone on our behalf, Floyd.

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    I see Jezza has come out against a shoot to kill policy if there was a similar attack here and has been roasted at the latest PLP meeting.

    Top, top, TOP work.

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    Ignoring the fact that Cameron hardly supported it himself, preferring to dodge the question.

    But don't let that stop you.

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    I won't.

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    Red Ken's career going down in self inflicted flames. How utterly glorious.

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    I thought his non-apology was quite excellent. We could do with more of those.

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    It's only a council by-election but still, the hilarity:

    Aylesford Green (Ashford) result:
    CON: 23.5% (-21.5)
    UKIP: 23.2% (+23.2)
    LAB: 22.6% (-32.4)
    AI: 19.6% (+19.6)
    LD: 9.0% (+9.0)
    GRN: 2.1%

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    You can only laugh at this point.

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    A new poll has the Evil Tories on 42%, whilst Jezza's Army are on 27%, which is their lowest rating in opposition since 1983. Corbyn's personal ratings meanwhile are -28 (Cameron -4). Boris Johnson, on +17, remains the only politician in positive figures.

    However once you adjust for Rupert Murdoch forcing people to think those things, the data shows that real socialism has not yet been tried.

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    ComRes have got Dave leading Labour by fifteen points (42 to 27), which is lol and the worst numbers Labour have polled in opposition since Michael Foot or whatever. But beyond that they also seem to have a lead in every English region and (loller still) across every social group. What were Labour playing at?

    EDIT: Party like it's 2010. Two parties, back together in the national interest...

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    It really is a disgusting situation they find themselves in. Corbyn is the first Labour leader my dad has actually hated.

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    Sanders should give Jezza a bit of advice. That speech the other day.

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    I've been singing his praises all week. Jeremy Corbyn wouldn't have invaded Iraq, mother, so when you're having a pop at him over terrorism...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davgooner View Post
    Sanders should give Jezza a bit of advice. That speech the other day.
    Can you link it. I've been a bit out of it when it comes to Sanders?

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    Twitter sez that poll would give Dave a majority of 92 under current boundaries, and 154 under the proposed reforms.

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    They're wiping left wing politics off the map for a generation, and the best thing is that they can't do anything about it until they sort out 'the membership' who voted them in by a massive margin.

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    To even get on the ballot requires MP nominations. Corbyn only got enough out of sympathy. You'd imagine Labour MPs would be a bit more serious next time. They need to wait until May now. Watch Labour do horrifically in the local/Scottish/London mayoral elections, then chuck him. Odds are nobody has the bollocks to wield the knife though.

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    I'll be quite surprised at this point if they don't come third to the Conservatives in the Holyrood elections. That'll be a pretty serious turn for the worse and I'm sure a suitable prompt to shake things up again.

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    If they boot James Corben (as my mother calls him) out they look like a shambolic bunch of twats. Not only that, but who replaces him? The other stiffs were decisively rejected, and the Next Generation isn't much use at the moment. 'Chuka' and Dan Jarvis only BOTTLED IT a few months ago, and if we're a country that would make somebody like Stella Creasy Prime Minister then I'm leaving.

    Then again, I suppose at this point it's more about damage limitation; but why would Alan Johnson come out of semi-retirement just to phone four years in?

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    Corbyn has embarrassed himself this week - it seems to be getting to a stage where a fair portion of the party are in outright revolt. He's fucking useless.

    Corbyn would automatically be on the ballot as current leader apparently, so unless he steps down there's nothing they can do. He must be thinking about it though, as it's clear he has no authority whatsoever over most of the party. Far too many self inflicted wounds.

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    It's Burnham's time to shine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonics View Post


    You can only laugh at this point.
    At first I thought that was someone on Twitter taking the piss out of him using an iPad, but that's the actual strapline?

    Oh my.

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    Think The Thick Of It writer Simon Blackwell nailed it


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    I watched that whole Sanders thing by the way. The man can speak.

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    Quiet Bat People.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd View Post
    A new poll has the Evil Tories on 42%, whilst Jezza's Army are on 27%, which is their lowest rating in opposition since 1983. Corbyn's personal ratings meanwhile are -28 (Cameron -4). Boris Johnson, on +17, remains the only politician in positive figures.

    However once you adjust for Rupert Murdoch forcing people to think those things, the data shows that real socialism has not yet been tried.
    Another poll...

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/jeremy...liband-2015-11

    In the country as a whole, Corbyn is actually doing rather well, according to the most recent Ipsos-MORI poll. When asked who they would vote for if an election was held tomorrow, 35% said Labour and 37% said Conservative:

    OK, so Labour are still trailing the Tories. But bear in mind that back at the May general election, former Labour leader Ed Miliband managed to poll only about 30% of the national vote, to PM David Cameron's 37%. Both parties have gained as they continue to take votes from UKIP and the Liberal Democrats, according to the YouGov polling blog. (The Green Party added a point, too.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    I'll be quite surprised at this point if they don't come third to the Conservatives in the Holyrood elections. That'll be a pretty serious turn for the worse and I'm sure a suitable prompt to shake things up again.
    Of more concern to the LONDON BIASED MEDIA will be if they lose the mayoralty, which in a post-Boris world they really should be pissing. I'm told however that some Labour activists are planning to secretly work for Zac in order to lose and thus get Corbyn out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    I don't know where to start with that article, but the author should probably start with learning what polls are.

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    What would make that a poll then? Genuine question.

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    He's taken the raw, unweighted data from a poll and used it as meaningful numbers. It's the same idea as if I went down the high street now, asked 20 people and presented that as a reliable national poll without adjusting it for reality.

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    Well I'm pretty sure he knows that.

    Polls are not elections of course. And the 2020 vote is a long way away

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    That quote suggests he doesn't. Distance from the election is irrelevant to the point; polls are a science and he is using raw numbers which tell us nothing.

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    This is where we need Harold. He knows raw data.

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    Asked if Mr Corbyn would have to make the case for what Mr Miliband called "responsible capitalism" if he were to have a chance of gaining credibility with the electorate, he said no.

    He added: "I'm not going to be a back seat driver..." - to which Naughtie instantly quipped: "Well, having crashed the car, it's difficult to do that."

    Ed laughed off the burn, saying "...thanks."
    Woof

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    He took it very well. It was a bit unnecessary really since he was already being very self-deprecating.

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    What the fuck is this, the speaker of the house just called someone 'an exceptionally noisy cheeky chappy'


    The House of Commons is weird.

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    Gideon reckons he's got twenty-seven billion more to play with than he had a few months ago (he probably hasn't), and the expected surplus is going to be higher in 2020 (it probably won't be). Forecasting.

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    Giving Alastair Campbell a positive namecheck in the pre budget report is possibly Peak Gideon.

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    MORE money for Cardiff? Fuck me. No wonder the rest of the country is such a shit hole. After getting more money from the EU than almost any other city they go and take 15 billion. Fuck me.

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