They really should have held initial negotiations with the EU before the vote for the referendum.
So much bullshit was being peddled and got found out pretty quickly after the vote.
Theresa May's Conservatives
Jeremy Corbyn's Labour
Tim Farron's Liberal Democrats
Paul Nuttall's UKIP
2 people's Greens
Nicholas Durgeon's Scottish Nationalists
Satan's Sinn Fein
Dr Ian Paisley's DUP
Some other bunch of nonces
I'm foreign, but I wish I were an Englishman
They really should have held initial negotiations with the EU before the vote for the referendum.
So much bullshit was being peddled and got found out pretty quickly after the vote.
They did, and they got fuck all out of them.
Oh right, so they knew all along it wasn't going to be a piece of piss then.
No serious political party wants to really put its name to a second vote as they know it is likely (or at least potentially) electoral suicide, but they all actually want it, so it's a question of how you get there. With difficulty.
The labour bod they had on tv saying they'd likely stand on a similar platform if they do somehow win their no confidence vote (they won't) summed it up.
As with everything, there will be a price to pay in the end. The divs (and by divs I mean your esteemed elected representatives) don't really appreciate it, but it will come. In what form, who knows, but can you really have a political system where a government loses a major vote by 200 votes one day, and then wins a majority in the house in a confidence vote the next? Maybe the first-past-the-post model will be the price, which will be extra lol. It's probably that or the Son of Bojo/Farage as supreme leader in 15 years when the great unwashed finally burn everything to the ground. Enjoy.
Not easy, what with the European Union having infected every aspect of our national life and hollowed out all of our institutions over the preceding forty years, but doable with actual preparation and willingness to take the short-term hit. I was right with my Ian Smith suggestion. It would all be sorted by now.
It's a choice of whether MPs want to alienate all the remain voters or alienate all the leave voters. My reading is that it's a battleground in the global culture war and they will stick with their own tribe, so second referendum it is and then they have to a) win it, which will be 'really, really tough' as Tiger Woods would say, and b) deal with the generation of backlash that fucking the white working class will unleash.
Milne (Corbyn himself is not relevant) is trying to get away with not picking a side, hence why they want an election in which they can continue not to pick a side (because who votes on policy now anyway? It's all tribal) and then hope that they can win it on the back of the Tories being a shambles. Then they can have a five year term to get us all eating dry grain from our socks and, you know, nationalising wine, and whatever else they have planned, and probably you would have to have a No Deal in order to do most of this because EU regulations are all deliberately centrist.
The people who are in a real pickle over this are the group that you see a lot of on twitter, but are actually quite small - the people who are big time remainers but also don't buy the S*n and want to #GTTO and quote tweet sanctimonious David Lammy tweets with something even more sanctimonious. Those people are the ones who hold the key because they need to force Labour onto the remain side of the fence to make a second referendum happen, but in so doing they will also turn millions of voters off Labour and certainly off the Corbyn-Milne-McDonnell socialist project.
I will take No Deal communism. A Third Way, if you will.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Might_makes_right
This sounds fun.
Put everyone who fancies ruling the country into a massive fight, whoever wins rules.
Proper animal kingdom shit.
You shambolic cunts.
I don’t know why May is still bothering. I really don’t.
Because the only type of people who get involved in this shite are only involved because they are obsessed with power and they're not going to let it go.
If you'd become a feckless husk with no morals or ethics to guide you, just doing what polls told you to for 30 years, what else are you supposed to do?
I'm starting to understand how she lasted so long at the Home Office though.
Hang on, everyone else bailed the moment it looked like it might get tricky. This isn’t a type of people thing, there’s something very different about her.
Most of the previous government for a start.
He was a remainer though, wasn't he? What Bozza did is far worse. The little weasel.
I'm not sure I agree with that but it's beside the point, plenty of people 'bailed' who otherwise would not have done. That some of them then found new jobs is immaterial.
Love or hate Gove, the fucker can make a speech.
I wouldn't say I 'love' Gove but he is streets ahead of anyone else in politics in terms of capability. If his social skills were better than 1/100 he'd be fine.
Unfortunately, everything he has done since the day after the vote counts against him.
What a load of nonsense. Maybe it's just having grown up around them but Gove is absolutely see through. Classic private school/old money arrogance, using achievements made by those made of better stuff to justify themselves.
Gove is a cunt.
No, you just disagree with his policies.
I have never liked Boris Johnson, but wasn't Deadly Dominic Cummings going to be let loose on Whitehall had he won? That seems like a missed opportunity.
Corbyn now refusing to meet the PM for talks unless she takes no deal off the table.
A better deal or no Brexit.
He probably wants no deal but can't be seen to be wanting it.
Does the country “Overwhelmingly want Brexit”? Do the polls still show that?
Whilst it's not the intention, I like the idea of having to consult 'the polls' whenever a piece of government legislation needs to be passed.
Has anyone on this board ever been called/contacted to answer a poll? I've never met anyone who has.
They all have samples of about 1,100 or so, so statistically there would have to be around 41,000 phone polls before all voting age people had been contacted once each (this assumes no repeats).
UK Polling Report shows that there have been about ten phone polls in the last three months, so extrapolating this it would take just over a thousand years before everyone had been consulted for a poll.
You can of course be polled online at any time by joining the YouGov panel or Opinium or the other one the name of which escapes me. In practice though you have to answer a lot of questions about bird feed brands and not many about voting intention.
Has Dimbleby died?
I don't think I've sat through a full episode since the one immediately after the vote. And it's not like it has got worse, so fuck knows what was I doing watching it all those years.
I think it has got a lot worse. Politicians are much more cynically soundbitey than in the YOU SOLD THEM WEAPONS era, and audiences are just full of party stooges and unfocused rage.
Speaking of weapons, I see Tony Blair has been doing the rounds AGAIN. When will they learn?
When they get better people?
Even Corbyn, a man who regularly sits down with War Criminals, must be able to see how damaging having Tony on your side must be.
What's one more?